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Re: Why I use gcc

From David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Why I use gcc
Date 2016-09-26 21:12 +0200
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On 26/09/16 18:30, BartC wrote:
> On 26/09/2016 15:26, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 26/09/16 15:12, BartC wrote:
>>> On 26/09/2016 14:45, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>> On 26/09/16 14:31, BartC wrote:
>>>
>>>>> This means if I distribute a project as C source code, I will need to
>>>>> recommend gcc to compile it. Or Tiny C.
>>>>
>>>> Or just write it in ISO C, and ship it without any recommendation
>>>> needed. Let them use whatever conforming implementation they like.
>>>
>>> If the C needs to call Windows (or a C function is a callback function
>>> called from Windows), then things like __stdcall and
>>> __declspec(dllimport) appear to be necessary.
>>
>> If you have to ship platform-specific code, you're going to hit
>> platform-specific problems that have platform-specific solutions best
>> discussed in platform-specific newsgroups.
>
> No, that sort of problem I can deal with. I don't think it's even a C
> issue apart from needing LoadLibrary/GetProcAddress in one context and
> dlopen/dlsym in another.
>
> But sometimes with a foreign function or function pointer you have to
> specify the call-convention or other attribute associated with it. The
> __stdcall one has been around a long time and you'd think that compilers
> would have agreed on where exactly to stick it!
>
> And I doubt an MS Windows group is going to help with why one C compiler
> - not MSVC - is very fussy about the exact placement while another
> doesn't allow it inside a cast.
>
> Apparently the solution, according to David Brown, is not to fix the
> various compilers but to introduce lots of conditional macros enumerated
> by target compiler.

Well, of course that is the solution.  Do you think /you/ can persuade 
all the compiler manufacturers to change to suit /you/ ?

The root of the problem is not the compilers or the C standards - it is 
MS and Windows, which is a jumbled and inconsistent mess of interfaces 
and calling conventions, and which never had a proper defined ABI that 
everyone could stick to.  Thus everything involving external functions 
and Windows libraries is compiler specific, and there are no standard 
headers or common libraries.

Posix is not perfect here either, but you can get a lot further towards 
writing a single piece of standard ISO C code and having it compile with 
a wide range of compilers on a wide range of *nix OS's.

I can think of several possible ways to handle the situation:

1. Complain to Microsoft, and insist that they define a single sensible, 
consistent ABI to be used on Windows.  Make sure that all compilers for 
Windows use that ABI and calling convention, and that they use it by 
default so that you don't need implementation-specific extensions to 
call libraries.  Make sure that everyone who makes libraries and DLL's 
for Windows follows those rules.

2. Use macros to wrap the implementation-dependent parts as neatly as 
possible, in a way that should cause no challenges to machine-generated 
C code.

3. Moan about it in newsgroups to people who have nothing to do with the 
problem, and are content to use macro workarounds if they were in the 
same situation.

4. Throw your hands up in the air in despair, because you can only 
support one compiler for your tools, and you always have trouble 
installing that tool.

5. Re-invent autotools with a Windows version.


Personally, I'd go for solution number 2.  It should take less time than 
writing the posts in this thread.

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Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-26 14:31 +0100
  Re: Why I use gcc David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-26 15:45 +0200
    Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-26 15:22 +0100
      Re: Why I use gcc David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-26 16:31 +0200
      Re: Why I use gcc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-27 15:05 -0700
        Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-28 00:42 +0100
          Re: Why I use gcc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-28 09:50 -0700
            Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-28 18:39 +0100
              Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-07 12:28 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-10-07 04:36 -0700
              Re: Why I use gcc Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 05:31 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-07 14:00 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 07:48 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-07 17:36 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 10:38 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-07 19:47 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-10-07 12:25 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 12:26 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-10-07 13:10 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 13:22 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-10-07 14:13 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-08 01:15 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 10:42 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-08 11:36 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-10-08 14:25 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-08 15:05 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-08 16:29 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-10-08 17:21 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-10-08 16:39 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-08 16:58 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-10-08 21:15 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-10-08 11:27 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-08 20:09 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-10-08 21:16 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-08 21:28 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-10-09 01:19 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-09 01:36 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-10-08 09:32 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-10-09 03:44 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-09 12:07 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-10-09 12:12 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-09 12:37 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-10-09 13:57 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-09 14:32 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-10-09 20:00 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-10-09 13:14 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-09 22:54 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-10-15 14:40 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-10-07 10:37 -0400
                Re: Why I use gcc supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-10-07 07:52 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-10-07 09:10 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-10-07 10:48 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-10-07 16:21 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-10-08 11:15 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-07 17:12 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-10-07 12:20 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 12:32 -0700
  Re: Why I use gcc Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-09-26 14:45 +0100
    Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-26 15:12 +0100
      Re: Why I use gcc Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-09-26 15:26 +0100
        Re: Why I use gcc supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-26 08:00 -0700
          Re: Why I use gcc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-28 10:49 -0700
        Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-26 17:30 +0100
          Re: Why I use gcc David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-26 21:12 +0200
            Re: Why I use gcc jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-09-26 22:09 +0200
            Re: Why I use gcc supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-26 13:32 -0700
              Re: Why I use gcc jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-09-26 23:14 +0200
                Re: Why I use gcc Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-09-26 22:47 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-27 01:13 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-09-27 01:18 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-26 17:41 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-27 02:01 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-27 08:41 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 01:41 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-09-26 18:15 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 20:59 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-09-27 21:50 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-28 06:26 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-09-27 23:23 +0000
                Re: Why I use gcc Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-10-08 00:12 +0200
                Re: Why I use gcc James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-10-07 23:11 -0400
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-08 10:58 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-10-08 07:07 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-10-07 21:44 -0700
              Re: Why I use gcc David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-27 09:48 +0200
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-27 11:22 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-27 13:52 +0200
                Re: Why I use gcc jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-09-27 14:47 +0200
                Re: Why I use gcc David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-27 15:18 +0200
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-27 14:38 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-09-27 17:21 +0200
                Re: Why I use gcc jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-09-27 17:17 +0200
                Re: Why I use gcc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-27 08:52 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-30 02:00 -0500
                Re: Why I use gcc supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-27 07:18 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-27 08:46 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-27 09:11 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-09-27 13:33 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-27 14:13 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-09-27 15:30 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-27 08:29 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-27 07:11 -0700
            Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-26 21:43 +0100
            Re: Why I use gcc raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2016-09-30 17:50 +0000
          Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-27 01:04 +0100
            Re: Why I use gcc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-26 17:39 -0700
              Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-27 01:49 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-09-27 11:39 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-27 11:56 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-27 15:15 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-09-28 08:55 +0200
    Re: Why I use gcc jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-09-26 22:11 +0200
      Re: Why I use gcc Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-09-26 22:04 +0100
  Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-10 11:39 +0100
    Re: Why I use gcc already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2016-10-10 07:32 -0700
      Re: Why I use gcc Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-10-10 16:17 +0100
        Re: Why I use gcc Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-10 21:09 -0500
          Re: Why I use gcc Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-10-11 04:18 +0100
          Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-11 10:56 +0100
            Re: Why I use gcc already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2016-10-11 04:08 -0700
              Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-11 13:36 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2016-10-11 06:20 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-11 14:29 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-10-11 09:31 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-11 19:38 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-10-11 12:23 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-10-11 23:19 +0200
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-11 23:26 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-10-12 09:01 +0200
                Re: Why I use gcc supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-10-12 08:55 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2016-10-12 10:52 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-10-12 12:34 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-10-12 13:18 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 13:24 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 13:31 -0600
                Re: Why I use gcc Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-10-16 03:00 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc crankypuss <undisclosedUserid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 04:46 -0600
                Re: Why I use gcc Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-10-16 04:05 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-10-11 12:28 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 13:24 -0700
                Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-11 21:28 +0100
                Re: Why I use gcc gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-10-11 20:43 +0000
                Re: Why I use gcc Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-11 23:40 -0500
            Re: Why I use gcc already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2016-10-11 04:40 -0700
      Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-10 18:19 +0100
    Re: Why I use gcc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-10-10 09:08 -0700
      Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-10 18:04 +0100
        Re: Why I use gcc supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-10-10 10:39 -0700
        Re: Why I use gcc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-10-10 11:25 -0700
      Re: Why I use gcc Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-10-10 17:05 -0400
        Re: Why I use gcc supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-10-10 14:46 -0700
    Re: Why I use gcc BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-10-15 13:39 +0100
      Re: Why I use gcc Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-10-15 13:40 -0700
        Re: Why I use gcc already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2016-10-15 13:46 -0700

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