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Re: AC Gravity.

From	HGW <hw@....>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: AC Gravity.
Date	2016-09-21 19:48 +1000
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On 21/09/16 10:47, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 9/17/16 9/17/16   3:27 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote:
>> On 17/09/16 13:17, Tom Roberts wrote:
>>>      If the entire surface of the ocean went up-and-down at the
>>>      same time, there would be no ocean waves, just a time-varying
>>>      surface. The ocean doesn't do that, but the Newtonian
>>>      gravitational field DOES.
>>
>> Tom, if the entire surface of the ocean went up OR down very suddenly,
>> a broad
>> spectrum vertical wave would occur in the atmosphere above it. That
>> would be a
>> longitudinal wave...
>
> Again you attempt to divert the discussion from your ignorance. My
> analogy was about OCEAN WAVES (and the lack thereof), not atmospheric
> waves.

The up and down movement is longitudinal (in the vertical direction. 
Gawd, don't you know anything about physics?. No wonder you've been 
sucked in by Einstein's crap.

> >>> In GR, gravitational waves are transverse.
>>
>> The type of wave I am talking about and one which would be generated
>> if a STATIC
>> field were to suddenly change due to the sudden disappearance of
>> whatever was
>> causing that field.
>
> Then it wouldn't be static, would it? You need to think more carefully
> about what you are "thinking".
>
> As I keep saying, you live in a fantasy world of your own making. In
> this case your fantasy is that neither conservation of energy nor
> conservation of momentum hold. They _DO_ hold in the world we inhabit,
> and I don't care what you dream about in your fantasy world.

If a balloon goes POP! it send out a spherical LONGITUDINAL shock wave.
If a black hole or SN goes POP, it sends out a longitudinal 
Gravitational wave in whatever the gravity field is made of.

>> The difficult part is envisaging how mass or charge might be made to
>> disappear
>> at all so such a wave could be produced.
>
> So "difficult" that it is impossible (except in your fantasies). Because
> energy and momentum are conserved in the world we inhabit.

As far as we know, energy itself is not influenced by a gravity field.

>> A SN would certainly do it.
>
> Only in your fantasy world. In the world we inhabit, a supernova can
> generate only very minor gravitational waves, because its explosion is
> approximately spherically symmetric. A perfectly spherically symmetric
> explosion generates no gravitational waves at all

Now that it quite ridiculous. The whole gravity field around the SN 
before its mass converts to energy will collapse. I can't imagine a 
field disappearing like that without some kind of ocsillatory side effect.


   Part of the reason there are no longitudinal gravitational waves in GR
> is that unlike your fantasies, GR obeys local energy and momentum
> conservation.

Neither you nor anyone else knows anything about gravitational 
waves..they might not even exist... and there certainly isn't any 
experimental evidence to support any of your claims or those of anyone else.

>> ..and LIGO
>> should detect SN gravitational waves...Newtonian of course. In fact,
>> if such
>> waves DO NOT accompany the visible observations, then that would
>> suggest a wide
>> range of wave speeds and prove Einstein wrong yet again.
>
> Only in your FANTASIES. Your basic problem is that you think your
> fantasies apply to the real world. There is a name for such
> psychological pathologies....

There is a name for the psychosis of all Einstein worshippers. It is 
called chronic self delusion.

> Tom Roberts


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AC Gravity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 18:01 +1000
  Re: AC Gravity. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-14 17:04 -0500
    Re: AC Gravity. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 15:22 -0700
      Re: AC Gravity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 09:53 +1000
        Re: AC Gravity. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 19:10 -0700
        Re: AC Gravity. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-15 00:01 -0500
          Re: AC Gravity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 17:47 +1000
        Re: AC Gravity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-15 15:27 +0000
          Re: AC Gravity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-16 06:44 +1000
            Re: AC Gravity. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-15 17:16 -0500
              Re: AC Gravity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-16 11:20 +1000
            Re: AC Gravity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-15 22:54 +0000
              Re: AC Gravity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-16 11:27 +1000
                Re: AC Gravity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 03:58 +0000
                Re: AC Gravity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-17 04:58 +1000
                Re: AC Gravity. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 12:18 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-18 05:42 +1000
                Re: AC Gravity. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 21:08 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-18 20:09 +1000
                Re: AC Gravity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-18 12:57 +0000
                Re: AC Gravity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-19 15:11 +1000
                Re: AC Gravity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 14:37 +0000
                Re: AC Gravity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-20 04:44 +1000
                Re: AC Gravity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 21:47 +0000
                Re: AC Gravity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:16 -0500
                Re: AC Gravity. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-19 13:22 -0500
                Re: AC Gravity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-20 04:58 +1000
                Re: AC Gravity. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-19 22:24 -0500
                Re: AC Gravity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-21 20:04 +1000
                Re: AC Gravity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:20 -0500
                Re: AC Gravity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-21 20:10 +1000
                Re: AC Gravity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 07:59 -0500
                Re: AC Gravity. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-22 13:57 +0200
                Re: AC Gravity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:51 -0500
                Re: AC Gravity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:32 -0500
                Re: AC Gravity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-20 04:52 +1000
                Re: AC Gravity. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-19 22:35 -0500
                Re: AC Gravity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-21 20:08 +1000
                Re: AC Gravity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:18 -0500
                Re: AC Gravity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 14:22 -0500
                Re: AC Gravity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 20:55 +0000
                Re: AC Gravity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-18 05:40 +1000
                Re: AC Gravity. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-09-17 17:59 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-18 03:18 +0000
    Re: AC Gravity. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 07:27 +0200
      Re: AC Gravity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 17:50 +1000
        Re: AC Gravity. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 07:06 +0200
        Re: AC Gravity. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 00:54 -0700
          Re: AC Gravity. RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-30 09:44 -0700
      Re: AC Gravity. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-15 11:51 -0500
        Re: AC Gravity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-16 12:04 +1000
          Re: AC Gravity. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-16 22:17 -0500
            Re: AC Gravity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-18 06:27 +1000
              Re: AC Gravity. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-20 19:47 -0500
                Re: AC Gravity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-21 19:48 +1000
        Re: AC Gravity. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 07:21 +0200
          Re: AC Gravity. jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-09-22 01:33 -0700
            Re: AC Gravity. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:50 -0700
              Re: AC Gravity. jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-09-22 05:53 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-22 14:43 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-23 08:18 +1000
                Re: AC Gravity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-22 15:39 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 07:01 -0500
                Re: AC Gravity. jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-09-23 01:12 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-23 09:46 +0000
                Re: AC Gravity. jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-09-24 05:37 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-24 07:32 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-09-25 06:35 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-25 10:58 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-09-26 02:37 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-26 04:32 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:05 -0500
                Re: AC Gravity. jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-09-25 06:00 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 17:15 -0500
                Re: AC Gravity. jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-09-26 02:54 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 08:29 -0500
                Re: AC Gravity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-23 05:34 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-09-26 04:10 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-26 05:30 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-26 06:38 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-09-27 05:11 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 08:47 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-09-28 10:16 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-28 14:03 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-09-30 05:33 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-30 06:41 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-10-02 02:39 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-02 05:26 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-10-05 04:54 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-06 06:59 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-10-09 05:25 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 06:06 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 10:06 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2016-10-12 08:28 -0700
                Re: AC Gravity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 08:32 -0500
  Re: AC Gravity. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-15 15:38 +0200
    Re: AC Gravity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-16 06:48 +1000

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