Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C?

From	cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C?
Date	2016-09-13 14:07 +0000
Organization	PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC
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In article <99SBz.71132$eM3.39366@fx04.iad>,
Richard Damon  <Richard@Damon-Family.org> wrote:
>On 9/12/16 9:45 PM, Dan Cross wrote:
>> In article <0b30b0cc-f7c5-4928-8acb-56bf2364797b@googlegroups.com>,
>> will hunt  <glovepm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> should I use strncpy or snprintf, and why?
>>
>> This has been covered, but I'll throw my hat in the ring for the,
>> "neither" camp.
>>
>> The biggest deficiencies of strncpy() have to do with its surprising
>> semantics: it was originally written for copying data into
>> fixed-width fields of data structures that were written to disk
>> (actually as part of a filesystem).  Thus, it zeros out the part of
>> the destination after the end of the source if the source is shorter
>> than the buffer size (instead of just appending a single NUL
>> terminator), and possibly won't NUL terminate if the source is of
>> length equal-to or longer than the size argument.  It always writes
>> exactly 'size' characters, which is inefficient for short source
>> strings and large destination buffers.
>>
>> The possible lack of NUL termination requires care on the part of the
>> programmer and is sufficiently non-intuitive that it is often
>> overlooked: this has been a fruitful source of errors over the years.
>> Further, there's no way to detect truncation (short of comparison
>> against the source string after the copy or similar).
>
>All it takes is comparing the last byte of dest to nul (0). Since 
>strncpy fills the tail with 0, a string that fit will have trailing 
>nuls, if it doesn't, there won't be one. Yes, if the 'payload' of the 
>string exactly fits, you will consider it 'truncated' but then for a 
>standard string, the nul IS part of the string, so it is.

Note I said, "or similar."  Yes, you can do that, but the larger
point I was trying to make is that it must be done as a separate
step.

>Note, the lack of notification of truncation isn't that surprising as 
>that is one of the purposes of the function, to truncate the over length 
>string.

This is subjective, but I disagree.  The function takes an argument
to bound the amount it will copy, but that does not necessarily imply
it shouldn't tell you if it hit that boundary.  Yes, you *can* detect
it after the call, but one can also define a function that lets you
know whether it truncated as in strlcpy().

The other deficiencies of strncpy() are such that it really should
not be used for things other than it's original purpose.

	- Dan C.

Thread

How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? will hunt <glovepm@gmail.com> - 2016-09-01 18:50 -0700
  Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? John Gordon <gordon@panix.com> - 2016-09-02 01:58 +0000
    Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? will hunt <glovepm@gmail.com> - 2016-09-01 19:40 -0700
      Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-01 20:29 -0700
        Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-09-02 12:29 -0400
      Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2016-09-12 13:09 -0700
        Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-12 15:30 -0700
    Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-01 23:08 -0700
    Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-09-04 23:59 -0700
  Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-09-01 21:12 -0600
    Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2016-09-01 22:12 -0700
  Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-09-01 23:58 -0700
  Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-09-02 10:42 +0100
    Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-04 22:23 -0700
      Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-04 23:20 -0700
        Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2016-09-05 01:03 -0700
          Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-05 01:46 -0700
        Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-09-05 10:30 +0100
          Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-10 11:25 -0700
        Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-11 06:23 -0700
          Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-11 15:41 -0700
            Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-11 23:40 -0700
              Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-12 21:04 +1200
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2016-09-12 09:21 +0000
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-12 21:33 +1200
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-09-12 10:41 +0100
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2016-09-12 10:48 +0000
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-12 07:04 -0700
  Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-09-02 12:36 +0100
    Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-09-02 14:24 +0100
      Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-09-02 14:51 +0100
      Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-04 23:42 -0700
  Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-09-02 18:05 +0100
    Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2016-09-02 19:48 +0000
  Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2016-09-13 01:45 +0000
    Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-09-13 11:06 +0100
      Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2016-09-13 14:09 +0000
        Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-09-13 15:30 +0100
          Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2016-09-13 14:52 +0000
            Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2016-09-13 14:54 +0000
              Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-09-13 17:18 +0100
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2016-09-13 18:15 +0000
              Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-13 20:30 -0700
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2016-09-15 14:03 +0000
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-15 12:32 -0700
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 12:45 -0700
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-15 13:00 -0700
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-09-15 14:52 -0600
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-15 16:04 -0700
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-09-15 15:52 -0600
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-15 17:07 -0700
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-15 15:53 -0700
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-09-15 22:17 +0100
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-15 17:01 -0700
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-15 16:36 -0700
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-09-15 19:19 -0700
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-15 21:39 -0700
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-16 06:17 -0700
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-09-16 07:04 -0700
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-16 09:11 -0700
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-22 22:24 -0700
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2016-09-19 15:15 +0000
    Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2016-09-13 08:19 -0400
      Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2016-09-13 14:07 +0000
        Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-13 07:57 -0700
          Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-09-13 17:33 +0100
            Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2016-09-13 18:13 +0000
            Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-13 11:30 -0700
              Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2016-09-13 20:03 +0000
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-09-13 13:38 -0700
                Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2016-09-13 21:39 +0000
              Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-09-13 23:26 +0100
            Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-13 16:14 -0700
    Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-09-13 15:59 +0100
    Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-09-13 16:07 -0700
      Re: How to copy a string safely and efficiently in C? cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2016-09-14 00:24 +0000

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