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Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS

From	"HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS
Date	2016-08-29 05:36 +1000
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On 27/08/16 18:01, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 27.08.2016 00:29, schrieb HGWilson, DSc.:
>
>>> - the Earth' axis of rotation is actually not changing its tilt.
>>>
>>> Earth rotation has a 'wobble' called precession, but apparently you mean
>>> something like random changes. But this is not true.
>>>
>>> - the continents are not floating on magma.
>>>
>>> Continents are the part of the earth' crust, which are above sea-level.
>>> The land is somehow part of larger structures, which are underneath the
>>> water. It is more similar to islands and islands do not float around,
>>> but are hills on the bottom of the lake or sea, with water around.
>>
>> The land surfaces are mainly lighter sedimentary rock that sits on
>> heavier igneous material, all of which is positioned on hot mantle which
>> floats on magmna. The oceanic plates are mainly basalt...and they are
>> constantly moving away from sub-oceanic rifts.
>
> Sediments require water, in which certain animals or algae live, that
> build the material for sedimnts. other sources are mud or sand, which
> also require water.

We know very well how sedimentary rocks are formed and how they have 
often ended up well above current sea level.

> This stuff sinks down in former oceans and the builds the surface on the
> former sea-floor.

The floor sinks down under the weight of the sediment....that's called a 
geosyncline....That's how much sedimentary rock is formed. Much later 
the seabed rises, often to well above sea level due to plate movements. 
Other rocks are formed in fresh water lakes in much the same way. 
Limestones come from buried coral reefs that were once often very huge.

> This level of sediments is disrupted by volcanic activity and by rifts.
> There is also push and pull, which is caused by movement of the ground
> and by earthquakes. This could lead to lopsided plates or even to
> flip-over.

Land erosion is a common cause of plate movement and earthquakes.

> But mainly the levelled areas stay horizontal, since they just sit upon
> the underground.
>
> Rifts under water do - of course- create new surface upon the hot
> underground, since water cools very good.
>
> But this does not say, the material slides upon the mantle. Its is just
> new surface for the expanding Earth.

Why should the Earth expand? That would mean a lowering of its average 
density...yet it is continuously losing light gases to space.

> So the crust does not float on magma. The main reason: the mantle is
> solid and not composed from magma.

There must be a region of magma between the solid mantle and the liquid 
core. The magma often breaks through the mantle and crust to cause 
volcanoes, particularly where the plates are fractured and constantly 
moving.

> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magma
>
>
>
>>> - below the crust is the mantle of the Earth and that is not magma.
>>>
>>> The Earth mantle is almost solid and not liquid.
>>> Magma is a certain fraction of the material, which is found in kind of
>>> chambers below the surface. But this is not the same material as the
>>> mantle in general.
>>>
>>> - neither the Alps nor the Himalayas have formed because of the reason
>>> assumed by plate tectonics.
>>
>> Why the hell are there so many Earthquakes in places like Iran and, just
>> now, in Italy?
>
>
> The reason for Earthquakes is yet another story. My personal explanation
> is, that earthquakes occur along subterranean rifts, since there the
> material is conductive.
>
> Goes like this: The Birkelands currents are changing positions a bit,
> which causes changes in the magnetic connections between Sun and Earth.
> This causes inductive coupling between the Ionosphere and the
> underground at places, where is conductive material. This causes an
> 'inverted Hall effect' (like Piezo crystals) and that is the reason for
> Earthquakes.

Sure, internal currents are fracturing the mantle, moving the plates 
and causing earthquakes and the surface elements to move very slowly 
around. This stuff is well understood by geologists now...but it wasn't 
even sixty or seventy years ago.

>>> This mechanism was actually the subject, we were talking about. I
>>> assume, that 'Growing Earth' is correct, and assume, that current
>>> mountains started as island in the oceans of a much smaller Earth.
>>>
>>> - the African plate does not press against the European plate, since the
>>> Mediterranean Sea is widening. This can be seen at the volcanoes
>>> (Stromboli, Vesuv, Aetna ..).
>>>
>>> - India is not pushing against the Himalayas.
>>
>> Not one geologist would agree with you
>
>
> Actually Ott Cristoph Hilgenberg was geologist and from him stems this
> idea.

well he is as crazy as you. Why would the Earth be growing?
>
> TH
>
>

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Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-16 15:04 -0700
  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-17 06:56 +0200
    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-18 08:04 +0200
    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 13:51 -0500
      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-19 06:30 +1000
        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-18 16:55 -0400
          Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-20 08:29 +1000
            Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-20 06:12 +0200
              Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-21 08:59 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-21 06:51 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-21 19:19 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-21 04:35 -0700
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-22 06:34 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-21 22:50 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-23 06:14 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-23 22:38 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-24 11:19 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-24 07:37 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-25 04:23 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-25 04:26 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-25 22:14 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-27 08:29 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-27 10:01 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-29 05:36 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-29 03:55 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-29 20:24 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-30 21:34 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-31 06:46 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-31 09:17 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-01 19:51 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-01 18:26 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-02 11:50 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-01 21:04 -0500
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-03 09:07 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-03 07:05 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-04 07:52 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-04 05:20 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-05 09:20 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-05 22:04 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-06 09:22 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-09-05 20:34 -0700
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-06 07:15 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-07 05:23 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-06 22:15 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-08 13:07 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-08 22:24 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-09 08:43 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-09 06:53 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 07:28 -0500
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-10 01:07 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-11 00:08 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-09 06:50 -0700
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-10 06:16 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-09 19:21 -0700
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-10 13:23 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-10 03:58 -0700
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-12 07:39 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-12 06:11 -0700
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-25 07:55 +0200
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 17:59 -0500
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-22 03:35 -0700
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-23 06:19 +1000
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 17:42 -0500
                Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 17:38 -0500
        Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 16:37 -0500
  Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 17:33 -0500
    Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 18:42 -0700
      Re: Tom Roberts' Proposed Experiments to Detect RoS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-19 07:45 +0200

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