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Re: We're fat, spoiled brats.

From GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: We're fat, spoiled brats.
Date 2016-08-17 12:23 -0600
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On 08/17/16 09:44, Marek Novotny wrote:
> On 2016-08-17, GreyCloud<mist@cumulus.com>  wrote:
>
> // snip
>
>> You have to be careful with Chrisv.  She can turn on you if there is a
>> very strong disagreement and start calling you a POS.  That's when you
>> know she isn't advocating linux, and I still wonder why she is still
>> posting here running windows XP for all these years... just a heads up.
>
> We already disagree on a few things. One of which is Samsung vs. Apple.
> I say Samsung is the far better company. Chrisv feels higher profits are
> better. I understand the point of view, but I will always prefer a well
> diversified company to a one-trick pony company.
>

Apple is that one-trick pony company.
Wife likes her iMac to a certain degree, but feels they just rushed it 
out the door for profit reasons... and then a few months later a trickle 
of updates, and mostly for iTunes.

> There were other disagreements as well, I don't remember them off hand.
> Where I come from everyone pretty much disagrees and argues. But in COLA
> the trolls take advantage of it. No Linux user I've ever known was in
> agreement with another. We've always had our own beliefs. Just mention
> systemd and see for yourself.

Oh, there will always be disagreements on many topics.  Human nature.

>
> We also poke fun at ourselves. Every year there is a "Why Linux Sux"
> conference and we trash talk Linux there. I bet most of you don't know
> that but it's true. I don't raise issues here because trolls will just
> spin it all day. But in a normal setting we don't talk about the good
> only. We talk about everything and just know it is work in progress. You
> can look up just about anything version wise in Linux and then look
> again in a month. It will have evolved a little.
>
> How many people in here used to not use Network Manager vs how many rely
> on it now? I wrote my own OpenVPN script, complete with a menu of end
> points which generates an ovpn conf file on the fly for the use of that
> one connection. I do it because it was honestly easier to write that
> then it was to try and configure Network Manager for anything beyond one
> end point.
>

At least you got into it and got your hands dirty, so to speak.

> But there exists these trolls and they want to paint things in a black
> and white way. Oh look, someone found a post on a help forum asking for
> help. Who'd have thought. They put on their chicken little hat and cry
> the sky is falling, no seriously, the SKY IS FALLING!! Look!! Someone
> posted a help topic. It's retarded. Then that same person says, all
> Linux advocates are liars. Now, I'm supposed to consider this is a
> normal guy with a normal job? How the hell am I supposed to see that
> person as anything other than a twisted moron troll?
>

You just have to call it like it is.
I use windows, os x, vms, solaris, etc.  All have their strong points.
I like solaris the best because of the internal way of things keeps the 
system up and running without wondering what happened.  I still have to 
get my ram sticks replaced as Solaris is now nagging me to take care of 
it.  It's starting to rope off areas of unusable ram.

> If Chrisv or anyone else for that matter disagrees with me, I really
> couldn't care less. What someone does with that disagreement is another
> matter. Perhaps my closest usenet friend HATES systemd so much he may
> well switch to FreeBSD. I don't hate systemd at all. Not even slightly.
> Is it changing Linux? Yes. And as I have said I like UNIX. And UNIX
> doesn't have a systemd. It has init. But if you ask me straight up,
> which is easier to modify, init or systemd. I'll have to opine systemd.
> And I'd further opine that you don't even have to know shell to do it.
>

That is good to know.  Been too lazy to look into systemd.

> Is systemd perfect? No. init has been around for decades. It's stable.
> systemd needs work. So until all the kinks are worked out, people will
> poke it and call out every problem it has. So do we as Linux users dump
> Linux over this? Some will. I won't. It would be easy. I already use
> FreeBSD for all kinds of things, the top two being my firewall and my
> NAS and I have no intention of changing my mind on either one of those.
> And that's not a knock on Linux.
>
> On my VPS, I just use IPTables. That's Linux and it's a firewall. Now to
> someone who wants to paint a black and white issue, they can. They can
> say, why not stick with one or the other? I don't think that way at all.
> IP Tables is just there already. I'll just use it on a VPS because, why
> not?
>
> If another Linux user disagrees with me it should not be taken as
> anything more than dark blue is my favorite color and ymmv. You like
> what you like. Lastly, I'm here because I'm actually a Linux user. I'm
> also on a FreeBSD mailing list and I listen to FreeBSD podcasts. I am a
> member of the FreeBSD foundation. I'm a member of the Document
> Foundation and the Free Software Foundation among others. My favorite
> license is the GPL v2.
>
> You like Solaris if I'm not mistaken. I like Solaris as well. If it is
> real UNIX, not that iCrap, I'll like it. I'll feel right at home on it.
> Linux is simply what I like most. It's not a black and white issue.
>

I like UNIX better than linux, only because of the conservative approach 
to additions.  But Solaris also wants money for upgrades.  So it was 
easier to just download free Solaris and just copy over my stuff to it.

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      Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-07-26 10:00 -0700
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                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-29 07:23 -0500
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                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-07-29 11:31 -0600
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-07-29 13:48 -0400
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-07-30 04:26 -0700
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                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 "KLH" <klh_man@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 16:33 +0200
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-02 09:22 -0500
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-02 08:31 -0700
                Speaking of chicken shits... did you preen your feathers yet today?  LOL!!! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-02 10:55 -0600
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 "KLH" <klh_man@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 20:13 +0200
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-04 06:45 -0500
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-04 06:02 -0700
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 "KLH" <klh_man@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 19:03 +0200
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-04 12:10 -0500
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-04 12:17 -0500
                Still suffering from PMS?  Try sucking on the end of a shotgun.  That'll cure PMS. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-04 11:30 -0600
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 "KLH" <klh_man@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 20:30 +0200
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-05 13:20 -0600
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-04 13:35 -0700
                We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-04 19:25 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-05 13:22 -0600
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                Re: Income inequality is _not_ a problem, never ever. John Taylor <taylorjohng@europe.com> - 2016-08-06 13:54 +0000
                Re: Income inequality is _not_ a problem, never ever. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-06 10:31 -0700
                Income inequality is _not_ a problem, never ever. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-05 19:34 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 08:21 -0700
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-05 13:21 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-08 17:22 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-08 16:16 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-08 20:06 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-09 03:42 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 08:21 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-09 09:48 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 12:18 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-12 11:03 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 11:51 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-12 13:55 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-12 15:07 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 15:58 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 15:52 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-12 17:20 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 18:24 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-12 18:30 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 18:55 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-12 19:27 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 20:18 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-12 20:44 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 21:50 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-13 04:19 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 07:01 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 19:54 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-12 20:21 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 21:13 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-13 04:19 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 06:24 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 19:27 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-12 20:02 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 20:51 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-13 04:19 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 08:56 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 06:16 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 09:18 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 06:20 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 09:23 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 06:38 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-13 19:26 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 19:42 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-14 05:06 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 09:45 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-14 10:08 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 11:09 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-14 16:30 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-14 17:05 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 17:14 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-14 17:31 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 20:38 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-14 17:46 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-14 17:51 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 21:06 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-14 18:15 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-14 18:18 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 21:28 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-14 18:41 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-14 18:56 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 22:30 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-14 19:52 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-14 20:23 -0700
                Re: DooFu$ is a diabetic, fat, spoiled brat. William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-08-15 11:44 +0100
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-15 09:07 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 07:57 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-15 05:19 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 08:21 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-15 07:24 -0500
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 08:30 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-15 07:44 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 10:54 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-15 07:58 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 11:12 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-15 08:34 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 12:04 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. John Taylor <taylorjohng@europe.com> - 2016-08-15 16:30 +0000
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-15 09:51 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-15 09:51 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-15 09:52 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 13:02 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-15 10:06 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 13:11 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-15 14:32 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-15 12:09 -0500
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 13:52 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-15 14:49 -0500
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-15 13:08 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 17:48 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-15 17:08 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-15 21:28 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-15 18:39 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 22:41 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-16 07:54 -0500
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-16 08:16 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-16 21:58 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 21:53 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-15 18:56 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 22:49 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-15 19:52 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 22:55 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-15 20:00 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 23:01 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-16 07:16 -0500
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-16 07:08 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-16 08:19 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-16 15:06 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 13:28 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-16 08:09 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-16 13:30 -0500
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-16 22:05 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-16 22:05 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-17 08:53 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-17 12:15 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-17 11:26 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-17 21:48 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-17 21:18 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-18 12:42 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-16 22:00 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-08-16 13:48 +0100
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-16 08:13 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-16 08:23 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-16 08:46 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-16 11:02 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-16 22:07 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-16 22:07 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-16 13:39 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-16 14:07 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2016-08-16 21:12 +0000
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-16 14:22 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-16 14:37 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-16 14:56 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-16 14:30 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-16 14:53 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-08-16 22:17 +0100
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-16 14:33 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-16 14:22 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 22:40 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-08-16 05:01 +0200
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-16 22:10 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-16 22:09 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-16 21:57 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-17 08:44 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-17 11:51 -0500
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-17 12:24 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-17 12:23 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-17 12:07 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-08-17 23:48 +0200
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-17 15:01 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-08-18 00:13 +0200
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-17 15:30 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-17 15:41 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-08-18 00:44 +0200
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-17 21:56 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-17 21:57 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-08-18 08:41 +0200
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-18 12:44 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-08-18 20:51 +0200
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-18 16:46 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-17 21:53 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-17 21:42 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-18 12:51 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-15 06:31 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 10:00 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-15 07:10 -0500
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 08:19 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-15 07:21 -0500
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-15 06:54 -0500
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 07:59 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-14 17:52 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-14 17:38 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 20:40 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-14 17:43 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-15 08:29 -0500
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-15 09:40 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 09:55 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-15 07:48 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 10:51 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-08-15 07:57 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-15 10:27 -0500
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-16 00:09 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-16 02:58 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-16 22:12 -0600
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 09:54 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 17:12 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-14 17:51 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 18:26 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-18 10:03 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 07:34 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-15 08:42 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 10:10 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-13 07:52 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 08:11 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-13 10:32 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-08-13 10:33 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 06:23 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 08:05 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-08-13 08:58 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 09:03 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 17:53 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. "Henry" <henry@alpha.org> - 2016-08-21 07:24 +0200
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-21 09:35 -0400
                Re: Wives cost a _ton_ more; same for programmers. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-09 12:02 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-13 19:22 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-09 06:51 -0500
                Re: Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-09 19:15 -0400
                Re: Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 19:17 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-08-10 01:17 +0200
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-08-09 20:10 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-09 22:39 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-10 07:38 -0500
                The ( SpinFree ) context. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2016-08-10 07:04 -0700
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-09 20:41 -0400
                Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-09 20:56 -0400
                Re: Re: We're fat, spoiled brats. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-11 21:12 +0200
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-04 19:40 -0400
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 19:46 -0400
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-05 13:23 -0600
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 19:52 -0400
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 "KLH" <klh_man@gmail.com> - 2016-08-04 18:52 +0200
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-04 11:31 -0600
                Says the POS known as Turdv.  Guffaw!!! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-08-04 11:29 -0600
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-06 11:54 -0400
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-08-06 12:05 -0400
                Re: It seems you need to see a doctor for your burned butt. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-07-28 17:05 -0600
            Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 "KLH" <klh_man@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 18:02 +0200
            Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2016-07-27 18:51 -0400
              Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-28 06:53 -0500
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 08:06 -0400
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2016-07-28 18:02 -0400
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 18:06 -0400
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2016-07-28 18:02 -0400
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-07-28 20:47 -0400
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 flatfish+++ <flatfish4real@gmail.com> - 2016-07-28 21:04 -0400
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-29 06:53 -0500
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2016-07-29 21:46 -0400
                Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-07-30 09:20 -0400
  re: [ot] Bose QC 35 "KLH" <klh_man@gmail.com> - 2016-07-26 18:42 +0200
  Re: [ot] Bose QC 35 nhp.bus@gmail.com - 2016-07-27 04:01 -0700

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