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Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer
Date 2016-08-11 16:40 -0500
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On 8/11/2016 4:31 PM, LIGO Fraud Investigator wrote:
> Link: http://www.network54.com/Forum/304711/thread/1470808491/LIGO%E2%80%99s+
> Experiments+Can+Not+Detect+Gravitational+Waves+Using+Michelson%E2%80%99s+Laser+Interferomet
>
> Showing that gravitational waves also affect light beams, generating problems in LIGO’s detectors
>
> Abstract
>
> This paper points out that gravitational waves affect wavelengths of light, an effect
> neglected in LIGO’s experiments. Ignoring this effect leads to some fatal mistakes, causing LIGO’s
> designers to develop an experiment that doesn’t work. According to general relativity, gravitational
> waves affect spatial distance, so it simultaneously affects wavelengths of light. Considering this
> fact, the phase differences of the laser beams propagating inside the arms of Michelson’s
> interferometers, are invariable, while gravitational waves pass through them. Therefore, it was
> impossible for LIGO to detect gravitational waves using Michelson’s interferometers. Meanwhile,
> it is proven that the speed of light is not constant when affected by gravitational waves. Due to
> this, some signal matching calculations made by the LIGO team can be wrong. In fact, in the history
> of physics, Michelson and Morley tried to find the absolute motion of the earth by using Michelson’s
> interferometers, ultimately, completely failing. This experiment’s failure led to the birth of
> Einstein’s special relativity. As the basic principles of LIGO’s detectors and Michelson-Morley’s
> experiment are the same, LIGO’s system cannot detect gravitational waves and are also destined to fail.
>

Wow.
 From the paper:
========================================================
" a gravitational wave stretches the distance between
the LIGO mirrors, doesn't it also stretch the
wavelength of the laser light?”
The answer of LIGO team is:
“A gravitational wave does stretch and squeeze the
wavelength of the light in the arms. But the
interference pattern doesn't come about because of
the difference between the length of the arm and the
wavelength of the light. Instead it's caused by the
  different arrival time of the light wave's "crests and
troughs" from one arm with the arrival time of the
light that traveled in the other arm. To get how this
works, it is also important to know that gravitational
waves do NOT change the speed of light."

The answer is very confusing, showing that they aware of
the problem but are "rolling" to escape from it. The sentences
“But the interference pattern doesn't come about because of the 
difference between the length of the arm and the wavelength
of the light”  makes no sense.
==================================================

In other words, the authors are saying here that the LIGO team did 
respond to the question, but these authors did not understand the 
answer, and so the answer is rejected. Moreover, these authors are 
claiming that providing such an answer that they don't understand means 
the LIGO team is being evasive and trying to not answer the question.

In other other words, "I asked you a question, and you provided an 
answer I don't get, therefore you are wrong."

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 14:31 -0700
  Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 16:40 -0500
    Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 14:46 -0700
  Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 14:43 -0700
    Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 16:50 -0500
      Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 15:27 -0700
        Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 17:37 -0500
          Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 20:54 -0700
            Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 13:12 -0700
            Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 14:10 -0700
              Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-08-16 09:57 -0700
                Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 14:18 -0700
                Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-08-18 15:28 -0700
                Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 11:39 -0700
                Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-08-22 12:12 -0700
                Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-22 17:00 -0400
                Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 14:09 -0700
                Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-08-22 22:06 +0000
              Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-08-16 15:25 -0700
              Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 17:33 -0500
                Re: LIGO’s Experiments Can Not Detect Gravitational Waves Using Michelson’s Laser Interferometer LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 15:48 -0700

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