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Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip

From Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
Newsgroups comp.arch.embedded, sci.electronics.design
Subject Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip
Date 2016-08-01 03:42 +0300
Organization TGI
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On 01.8.2016 г. 03:14, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 02:47:46 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 01.8.2016 ?. 02:21, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
>>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:56:53 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 31.7.2016 ?. 17:49, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:38:22 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31.7.2016 ?. 17:26, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:22:41 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 31.7.2016 ?. 16:12, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 13:55:50 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 31.7.2016 ?. 03:06, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> .....
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ARMs are not second sourced because different manufacturers don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> generally make pin compatible packages.  Even if they did and use the
>>>>>>>>>>>> same processor, they don't use the same peripherals, so they aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>> second sourced.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Who cares about pinouts?  Spin the board if your suppliers croaks.  If
>>>>>>>>>>> they're still building the part, why would you want to change?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty well over this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You're lying, again.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But he was correct that you are trolling.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're as stupid as he is, obviously.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps so, engaging in an exchange with the troll of the group
>>>>>>>> I have known to be  that for many years. Not the brightest
>>>>>>>> thing to waste my time with indeed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet you insist on doing what you think to be stupid.  That *is*
>>>>>>> classical stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Who cares about pinouts. Who cares about the same peripherals.
>>>>>>>>>> So where is the second sourcing this is about, Einstein.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The peripherals are very similar.  If your code isn't a pile of
>>>>>>>>> spaghetti, changing one peripheral for another isn't a huge problem.
>>>>>>>>> The hard stuff doesn't have to change.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you have to redesign the board, you have to modify the software
>>>>>>>> and you have a "second source". Whoever told you you have anything
>>>>>>>> to do with design and programming has lied.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Better than having no product to sell.  Yes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to see a post of yours which is other than trolling,
>>>>>>>>>> could you please keep them within SED, not that CAE is perfect
>>>>>>>>>> but we don't have any regular trolls.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To put it another way, "here's your sign."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A disagreement is not a troll, stupid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, feel free to disagree you are a troll. Or that 1+1=2,
>>>>>>>> whatever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet you're stupid enough to continue doing something that you think is
>>>>>>> stupid.  Amazing.  ...or you're just another liar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So where did I lie, Einstein.
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't read very well.  Either you're stupid or you're a liar. Pick
>>>>> one.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ah, so there is an "either/or" now.
>>>
>>> You said it.  I just clarified the choice.
>>>
>>>> Like your second sourced MCU-s
>>>> which nobody second sources, I see.
>>>
>>> Now who's trolling?  So, I'm to assume the answer is "liar".  Good
>>> enough.
>>>
>>
>> You have yet to point to a lie I have told. You know you cannot - you
>> must have been trying all day. So you are lying, clearly you take
>> being a liar as something casual. One more reason for me to dislike you.
>
> Since you're illiterate, I'll map out the obvious for you.
>
>    - You said you didn't like talking to trolls
>    - You accused me of being a troll
>    - yet you insist on continuing this thread

Most of the above is true, yes. "Insist" is not true but I do
continue it for now, just as you do.

>
> So either
>    - you're stupid because you're doing what you don't want to do

I have done stupid things in the past and I probably will do some
in the future, yes. I knew you were a troll and I knew you would
respond the way you did beforehand; but I did take some fun of
cornering you about the nonsense you said trying to demonstrate
knowledge you do not have because I dislike you.

>    - you're a liar because you do enjoy arguing with those who

I don't understand "those two", sorry. Are you that? This
would be a medical issue.

>      you accuse of being trolls

Yes. Both of you I suppose?

>    - you lied that I'm a troll.

No, this is a fact. I have not seen one post of yours with substance
and I have seen tens of your posts. Most of them are plain trolling.

>
> Boo Hoo, you don't like me.
>
>> Obviously once I have been stupid enough to engage with a troll I will
>> be trolling, too. Being the group's troll for years does not make you
>> own the rights for that, you know.
>
> So you admit that you are stupid.  Too stupid to read, for sure.

I have no problem admitting I have been stupid of course. Why are you
so frightened of doing so?

>> I will not have the patience to troll you out of your habits of course,
>> this would take days and days, but I can have some fun while you moan
>> trying to unsay the nonsense you have said or at least steer
>> the troll exchange elsewhere.
>
> So you don't like yourself either.  That's understandable.

I don't spend much time thinking about liking myself or not so I don't
know that. But I certainly don't produce the reasons to be disliked
which you produce.


You could of course have said you were wrong to claim there were ARM
MCUs which have a second source, everybody says something stupid
sometimes, and there would have been less posts demonstrating your
incompetence.

Be my guest, I'll stop when I get tired of it but I am not there yet.

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                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-30 02:23 -0400
                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-30 20:06 -0400
                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-07-31 13:55 +0300
                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-31 09:12 -0400
                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-07-31 17:22 +0300
                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip krw@attt.bizz - 2016-07-31 10:26 -0400
                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2016-07-31 17:38 +0300
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                Re: Atmel Bought by Microchip Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-07-31 17:11 -0700
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