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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? |
| Date | 2016-07-06 16:07 -0500 |
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On 7/6/2016 3:53 PM, kenseto wrote: > On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 11:54:00 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 7/6/2016 10:17 AM, kenseto wrote: >>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 9:43:06 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> On 7/6/2016 8:03 AM, kenseto wrote: >>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 2:28:12 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>> On 7/5/2016 1:18 PM, kenseto wrote: >>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 9:50:47 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>> On 7/5/2016 8:38 AM, kenseto wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 8:35:29 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2016 3:30 PM, kenseto wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 4, 2016 at 2:03:43 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2016 12:48 PM, kenseto wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are proposing discarding the Lorentz transformations when discussing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relativity??? >>>>>>>>>>>>> No I am proposing discarding the coordinate system of the LT and use the delta form >>>>>>>>>>>>> of the LT. The coordinate system of the LT give results disagree with actual measurements. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ken, the Lorentz transform is a transform between systems of >>>>>>>>>>>> coordinates. To get rid of the coordinate systems is to deny that the >>>>>>>>>>>> Lorentz transforms are coordinate transforms. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The delta form of the LT is insensitive to directions of relative motion and it agree with observations. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And no, the Lorentz transforms do not disagree with actual measurements. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes the coordinate form of the LT give different transit time for the different directions >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In the primed frame, yes. Not in the rod frame. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> and this >>>>>>>>>>> disagrees with what the rod frame measures. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is not a problem. It's just fine for the rod frame and the primed >>>>>>>>>> frame to disagree on that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is a problem.....you get two different transit times because of the following bogus assumptions: >>>>>>>>> 1. left to right....the speed of light is c+v. No such velocity exist in any frame. >>>>>>>>> 2. right to left.....the speed of light is c-v. No such velocity exists in any frame. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ken, the speed of light is not c+v or c-v in any frame. >>>>>>>> That's not where the difference in transit time comes from. >>>>>>>> If you just do the algebra, you'll see that the transit times are >>>>>>>> different in the. primed frame, even thought the speed of light is still >>>>>>>> c in that frame. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then show us how the LT get two different transit times....don't just give us a bunch of bull-shit. >>>>>> >>>>>> I did, Ken. >>>>>> 1. I gave you the correct Lorentz transformations for the emission time >>>>>> and for the arrival time. >>>>>> 2. I gave you all the correct quantities to substitute in the variables >>>>>> for the left-going light and for the right-going light. >>>>>> 3. I told you the step by steps you'd need to take to get the transit >>>>>> times (it was like three steps). >>>>> >>>>> The LT equation is as follows: >>>>> t'=gamma(t-vL/c^2) >>>> >>>> You're not following directions, and you did not do the Lorentz >>>> transform correctly. I gave you simple directions. >>>> >>>> 1. You need to find both t_emmission' and t_arrival' for the >>>> left-to-right light. To do this, you need to use the equation TWICE, >>>> once for the emission and once for the arrival. When you do this, make >>>> sure you enter the values for t_emission and x_emission for the first >>>> time you use the equation, and then enter the values for t_arrival and >>>> x_arrival for the second time you use the equation. A reminder what >>>> those variables are: >>>> t_emission = 0 >>>> x_emission = 0 >>>> t_arrival = L/c >>>> x_arrival = L >>>> To help you understand how to do this, I will make the substitutions for >>>> one step: >>>> t_emission' = gamma( t_emission - v*x_emission/c^2 ) >>>> = gamma ( 0 - v * 0/c^2 ) >>>> = gamma (0) >>>> = 0 >>>> t_arrival' = gamma( t_arrival - v*x_arrival/c^2 ) >>>> = gamma ( L/c - v*L/c^2) >>>> = gamma ( (c-v)L/c^2 ) >>>> >>>> 2. Now you need to find both t_emmission' and t_arrival' for the >>>> right-to-left light. To do this, you need to use the equation TWICE, >>>> once for the emission and once for the arrival. When you do this, make >>>> sure you enter the values for t_emission and x_emission for the first >>>> time you use the equation, and then enter the values for t_arrival and >>>> x_arrival for the second time you use the equation. A reminder what >>>> those variables are: >>>> t_emission = 0 >>>> x_emission = L >>>> t_arrival = L/c >>>> x_arrival = 0 >>>> Since I showed you how to do this for step 1, then I hope you can do it >>>> for step 2. >>> >>> Sure you made the bogus assertion that left to right for x_emission=L and Right to >>> left for x_emmission=0 and then insert these quantities to get different transit >> >> Ken, you have it backwards. Can you not read? >> >> Let's start at thee beginning. >> You have a rod at rest in the unprimed frame, with the left end of the >> rod at the origin. This means the x value of the left end of the rod is >> at x=0. Do you agree with that? > > Sigh....there is no need to assign value to the ends of the rod. Yes, there is, when you use the correct Lorentz transforms. You asked how to do it, using those correct Lorentz transforms. I'm showing you how to do it. Do you want me to show you how to do it or not? So the rod is L meters long and it's sitting on the x axis with the left end on the origin. So go ahead. Assign the values for the locations of the ends of the rod: Left end: x = ? Right end: x = ? (Hint: I've already done this above. Can you find it? Can you do it?) > The rod is L meters long and it takes light L/c seconds to traverse its length in both directions. > >> >> If the rod has a length L, what is the x location of the right end of >> the rod? > > You need to get rid of these coordinate shit. That's how the correct Lorentz transforms work. Do you want to learn how to use them or not? >...the unprimed observer uses the same equation of Delta(t')=gamma*L/c to predict the transit > time for light to traverse a moving rod L in both directions. Nope, that's not how you use the Lorentz transforms. I'm showing you how BOOKS teach how to use the Lorentz transforms. Are you going to say that all the books do not know how to use the Lorentz transforms? > >> >>> time in the different directions.....what this mean is that the different transit times >>> for the opposite direction is the result of bogus assertions. not very scientific. >> >> Ken, you can't seem to follow how to assign the values of x_emission and >> x_arrival for the two passing light beams. When you can't follow it, you >> call it bogus assertions. >> >> Do you know how to do 5th grade algebra or not? >> >>> >>>> >>>> 3. For the transit times, you need to find t_arrival' - t_emission' for >>>> both the left-to-right light found in step 1, and do likewise for the >>>> right-to-left light found in step 2. I hope you can do this simple step. >>>> >>>>> To get different transit times for the opposite directions: You simply said >>>>> that in one direction the value of L is zero and in another direction the value is L. >>>> >>>> No, I did not say the value of L is 0 ever. What I said is that for the >>>> left-to-right light, the emission happens at the left end of the rod, >>>> where x=0. This means x_emission = 0 and does not mean that L=0. And the >>>> arrival happens at the right end of the rod, where x=L. This means >>>> x_arrival = L and does not mean that L=0. >>>> >>>> For the right-to-left light, the emission happens at x=L (the right end) >>>> and the arrival happens at x=0 (the left end). Thus x_emission = L in >>>> this case and x_arrival = 0. >>>> >>>> I get the feeling you don't know how to substitute quantities into >>>> equations, a fifth grade skill. >>>> >>>>> This is doing physics by assertion. Also, it appears that you don't >>>>> know what the term (vL/c^2) means....L does not mean the point of emission. >>>> >>>> For the right-to-left light, the point of emission is at the right end >>>> of the rod, right? That's where x=L. The location of the right end of >>>> the rod has an x value of L. >>>> >> >> >> -- >> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 13:02 -0500
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Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-04 21:43 +1000
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Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-06 07:07 +1000
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Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-17 18:07 -0700
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-18 04:47 -0700
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 06:54 -0500
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-17 15:34 -0500
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-03 15:02 +0000
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-07-03 11:42 -0500
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-04 06:10 -0700
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-04 09:23 +1000
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-03 19:12 -0700
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-04 16:37 +0000
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-04 21:26 +1000
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-04 04:38 -0700
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-05 09:05 +1000
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-05 04:41 -0700
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-06 20:07 +1000
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-06 05:07 -0700
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-04 02:46 +0000
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-04 16:51 +0000
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-04 21:36 +1000
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-04 04:49 -0700
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-05 09:01 +1000
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 07:40 -0500
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-07-01 08:41 +0200
Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-02 05:53 +1000
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