Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators

From	Sergio <invalid@invalid.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators
Date	2016-07-01 15:54 -0500
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On 7/1/2016 2:23 PM, ClutterFreak wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 18:58:30 -0000,
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>> ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 17:39:07 -0000,
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 16:34:54 -0000,
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How about once in your life you actually look something up instead of
>>>>>> spouting your usual nonsense?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm. How about once in your life you don't run to
>>>>> others? Aren't you comfortable with your own head?
>>>>
>>>> Extremely, which is why I called you post blazingly stupid, but I am
>>>> not about to type in a bunch of information that is readily available
>>>> to correct your astonding ignorance.
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Information that is readily available."
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> Try doing some reading first and maybe the percentage of your posts
>> that are ignorant nonsense will drop from near 100%.
>>
>
> Before even thinking about it? No I won't.
>
> Speaking of curare. It is a wonderful drug. It has no
> other side effects! It goes directly where the problem
> is.
>
> Curare in kill doses should be available to anybody
> who wants to kill himself. It is much more humane than
> asphyxiation by hanging. Robin Williams needed curare,
> not a belt!
>
> I wished authorities would let anyone who wants to
> kill himself to do so humanely.

you are not yet aware of something common in usa hospitals.
Curare is not used, morphine is, for several reasons.

   WIKI SAYS ...

Curare /kʊˈrɑːri/[1] or /kjʊˈrɑːri/[2] is a common name for various 
plant extract alkaloid arrow poisons originating from Central and South 
America. These poisons function by competitively and reversibly 
inhibiting the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor (nAChR), which is a 
subtype of acetylcholine receptor found at the neuromuscular junction. 
This causes weakness of the skeletal muscles and, when administered in a 
sufficient dose, eventual death by asphyxiation due to paralysis of the 
diaphragm.
Modern anesthetists have at their disposal a variety of muscle relaxants 
for use in anesthesia. The ability to produce muscle relaxation 
irrespective of sedation has permitted anesthetists to adjust the two 
effects independently and on the fly to ensure that their patients are 
safely unconscious and sufficiently relaxed to permit surgery. The use 
of neuromuscular blocking drugs carries with it a very small risk of 
anesthesia awareness.

Curare is only hazardous in the bloodstream, not swallowed by mouth. 
Therefore, experienced Amazonian poison makers can safely taste the 
curare, judging how intense it is from its degree of bitterness. Another 
way the potency of curare is tested is by shooting the poison into a 
frog and seeing how many times it hops before the frog stops moving.

Once the potent paste is ready, the tips of darts and arrows are coated 
with the substance. Hunters must be careful not to cut or scrape 
themselves with the dangerous tips, lest they become the victims.
-Curare is an alkaloid, and acts as a neuromuscular blocking agent to 
produce paralysis in muscles. It first affects the muscles of the toes, 
ears, and eyes, then those of the neck, arms and legs, and finally, 
those involved in breathing. In fatal doses, death is caused by 
respiratory paralysis. Curare must get into the blood system for it to 
work. It doesn't hurt to eat something killed by a poisoned curare 
arrow, for instance. (Early 1700s) Originally found in South America
Used for dart poison

death by muscle paralysis  (stricnine does this too, very painful)

It's name: comes from the word "viraery", vira = bird, eor = kill.
Charles de la Condamine --> scientist, first witnessed the Ticunus 
indians use it.

Alexander Von Humboldt --> plant collector, first saw WHERE they got the 
poison (the bark of the Strychnos family of trees). 
Neuromuscular-blocking agent Claude Bernard and his injected frog: 
Curare blocks conduction of nerve impulse to the muscles.

Late 1800s, early 1900s: Various doctors tried to use it as a way to 
cure things such as tetanus and rabies, however almost every experiment 
failed and ended fatally.

1930s: Richard Gill: sold Curare to ER Squibb, anesthetics becomes a 
possibility.

Later, other scientist and doctors took this idea of anesthetics to the 
next levelllll...... ;)
Curare Cures Krystal, Juliana, Hannah, Rosie Time

even eyes are paralyzed- difficult to confirm consciousness

Artificial Respiration
Acetylcholinesterase inhibitor (AChEl)
inhibits enzyme from breaking down ACh block transmission at 
neuromuscular junction
can act presynaptically (inhibit acetylcholine - ACh) or 
postsynaptically (block acetylcholine receptor)
Curare - blocks nicotinic acetylcholine receptor (nAChR)
D-tubocurarine
active agent
competitive antagonist skeletal muscle relaxant
slow onset (60 seconds to 15 minutes)
long duration (30 minutes to 8 hours)
large molecules - cannot enter bloodstream through digestive system
must enter directly into bloodstream C H N O 37 41 2 6 + improved 
effectiveness and safety of anesthesiology
marks the beginning of neuromuscular blocking agents

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Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-06-27 23:15 -0500
  Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators Jackpol11@hotmail.com - 2016-06-28 14:12 -0400
    Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-06-28 13:58 -0700
      Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-06-28 19:42 -0400
        Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-29 01:14 -0500
          Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-06-28 23:45 -0700
        Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 10:31 -0700
    Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators Jackpol11@hotmail.com - 2016-06-29 14:48 -0400
  Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-06-28 18:23 +0000
  Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-29 14:15 -0500
    Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators Jackpol11@hotmail.com - 2016-06-30 18:13 -0400
      Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-30 20:40 -0500
        Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 01:50 +0000
          Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-06-30 21:20 -0500
            Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 05:57 +0000
              Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 11:22 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 16:34 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 12:19 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 17:39 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 13:02 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 18:58 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 14:23 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 19:38 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 15:10 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 20:32 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-01 15:54 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 16:11 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-01 17:33 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 18:05 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-02 09:18 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 10:10 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 12:25 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 17:44 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 12:57 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 19:03 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 14:33 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-01 14:41 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 14:55 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 20:15 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 15:19 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 20:33 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 16:02 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 21:19 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 16:47 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 22:42 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 18:11 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 00:26 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 19:41 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 01:04 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 20:27 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 05:35 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 09:16 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 17:41 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 16:52 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 22:38 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 20:12 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-01 15:37 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 15:54 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-01 16:03 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 16:34 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 22:03 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 17:23 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 22:46 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 18:19 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 00:27 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 19:43 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 01:05 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 20:32 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-02 09:23 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 10:08 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-02 11:53 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 12:26 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 17:43 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-02 13:45 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 16:49 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-02 22:57 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-01 17:25 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 18:01 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 00:32 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 20:03 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 05:39 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 09:35 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 17:54 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 16:03 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 22:43 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 19:58 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-03 01:12 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 23:20 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-03 06:00 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-03 09:45 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-03 17:04 +0000
                Re: Switzerland will help _anyone_ die. ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 20:44 -0500
                Re: Switzerland will help _anyone_ die; sick or not, Swiss or not. ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 21:38 -0500
                Re: Switzerland will help _anyone_ die. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-07-02 19:00 -0400
                Re: Switzerland will help _anyone_ die. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 23:24 +0000
                Re: Switzerland will help _anyone_ die. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-07-02 16:36 -0700
                Re: Switzerland will help _anyone_ die. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-07-02 19:59 -0400
                Re: Switzerland will help _anyone_ die. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-07-02 17:06 -0700
                Re: Switzerland will help _anyone_ die. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-07-02 21:08 -0600
                Re: Switzerland will help _anyone_ die. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-07-02 20:32 -0700
                Re: Switzerland will help _anyone_ die. JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-07-03 14:58 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 19:55 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 15:16 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 20:37 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 15:59 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 21:21 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 16:45 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-01 22:12 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 17:36 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 00:38 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-01 20:16 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 05:41 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 10:05 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 17:55 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 16:05 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 14:46 -0700
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 17:07 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-03 00:05 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-07-02 22:44 +0000
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 20:05 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-02 14:10 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-02 16:41 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-07-03 00:16 -0500
                Re: Quinine no good for leg cramps scintillators ClutterFreak <ClutterFreak@FakeAddress.com> - 2016-07-03 10:33 -0500

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