Re: Where to locate software

From	David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.vms
Subject	Re: Where to locate software
Date	2016-06-11 22:27 -0400
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David Froble wrote:
> Hans Vlems wrote:
>> No they are not the same. But most VAX systems run V7.3, the Alphas 
>> run v8.4 and the IA64's are on v8.4 too.
>> They all run IP DECnet C PASCAL CMS and MMS.
>> To keep with patches was quite some work. These are hobbyist systems 
>> of course.
>>
>> Your question is how would I handle 400 production system? My max in 
>> that area is about 50 systems. In different factories on the same 
>> site. VMS and LP updates were applied initially on a development VAX 
>> 8550 and subsequently on all factory systems.
>> Just VAX back then and if there were patches then I've ignored them by 
>> and large.
>>
>> For 400 identical systems I'd build one base image and modify that. 
>> Easier said than done but modparams.dat can be generated based on 
>> parameterfiles. I think (with the factory i used to work in in mind 
>> !!) that i could have done that on my own in 6 months.
>> Hans
> 
> I don't think anyone objects to better management tools.  I sure do not.
> 
> However, I have to ask again, how many 50+ system VMS customers are there?
> 
> How many 50+ non-VMS system customers are there, and might consider 
> VMS?  If they did consider VMS, would they still continue to need 50+ 
> systems?
> 
> Ok, for the situation of 400 locations, each with a local system.  Yes, 
> some manner of management with a VMS expert at each site would be a good 
> thing.  A very good thing.  How many exist, and what's the cost of 
> catering to the 0+ such customers, and what will that cost do to work 
> maybe needed for many other VMS customers?

That should read "without a VMS expert at each site".

Fingers got ahead of brain, not so hard to do anymore ....

:-)

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Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-08 18:18 -0500
  Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-08 19:39 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-08 20:28 -0500
  Re: Where to locate software "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com> - 2016-06-08 19:40 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-08 20:30 -0500
      Re: Where to locate software "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com> - 2016-06-08 22:24 -0400
        Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-08 22:57 -0500
  Re: Where to locate software Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 17:02 -0700
    Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-08 20:31 -0500
    Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-08 21:53 -0700
      Re: Where to locate software Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 22:19 -0700
      Re: Where to locate software Richard Levitte <richard@levitte.org> - 2016-06-09 02:47 -0700
        Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-09 13:39 -0700
  Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 08:42 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-09 14:58 +0200
      Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 10:27 -0400
        Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 11:33 -0400
          Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 11:43 -0400
            Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-09 09:19 -0700
              Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 13:13 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-09 18:58 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-09 18:59 +0000
              Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 22:01 -0400
                Re: VMS FAQ (was Re: Where to locate software) Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 10:58 -0400
                Re: VMS FAQ (was Re: Where to locate software) Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-10 16:50 +0000
          Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-09 13:28 -0400
            Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 22:06 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-09 13:58 +0000
      Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 11:16 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-09 14:46 +0000
      Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 12:43 -0400
        Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-09 13:50 -0700
        Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 22:20 -0400
          Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 11:11 -0400
            Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-10 11:56 -0400
              Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-10 10:19 -0700
              Re: Where to locate software Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-10 18:03 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 15:59 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-13 09:02 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-13 16:34 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-10 16:53 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Hans Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> - 2016-06-11 00:27 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-11 01:37 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Hans Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> - 2016-06-11 03:21 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 22:02 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 22:27 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-13 09:05 -0400
            Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-10 16:13 +0000
              Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 15:50 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-10 20:54 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 17:47 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-11 01:59 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-10 19:13 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-11 03:01 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-10 22:47 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-11 12:45 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-11 15:02 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 02:07 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 22:05 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 04:17 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-11 03:09 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-10 23:39 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-10 22:44 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-11 01:42 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-11 18:25 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-11 11:15 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-11 13:44 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-11 11:54 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-11 15:23 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-11 18:28 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 22:38 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-12 00:59 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 14:09 +0000
                devops / source control - (Was: Where to locate software) "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-12 10:43 -0500
                Re: devops / source control - (Was: Where to locate software) "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-12 11:08 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-12 12:53 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 17:31 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-12 15:23 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 20:28 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-12 17:49 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-13 13:02 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-13 09:40 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-13 14:33 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-13 16:20 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-13 15:12 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software RobertsonEricW <robertsonericw@netzero.net> - 2016-06-13 08:55 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> - 2016-06-13 09:07 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-16 15:16 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-16 20:25 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Richard Levitte <richard@levitte.org> - 2016-06-16 23:24 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 06:21 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 06:08 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-18 21:52 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-19 19:17 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-13 15:03 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-13 09:08 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-13 21:05 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-14 03:49 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-13 21:28 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-14 09:52 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-14 12:11 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-14 14:27 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-14 20:14 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 12:20 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-21 09:30 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Richard Levitte <richard@levitte.org> - 2016-06-21 09:34 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-07-02 08:23 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-14 16:22 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-14 16:20 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-21 09:28 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-14 18:55 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 11:18 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-15 12:17 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 14:30 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-15 07:39 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 15:23 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craig.a.berry@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 08:03 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 19:41 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-15 19:10 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-16 11:24 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-16 08:33 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-16 17:09 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-16 11:12 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Richard Levitte <richard@levitte.org> - 2016-06-16 12:32 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-16 17:48 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-16 20:29 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Richard Levitte <richard@levitte.org> - 2016-06-16 23:21 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 05:56 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-13 13:21 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> - 2016-06-12 14:46 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-12 17:53 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-12 12:57 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 18:03 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-12 12:46 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 22:37 -0400
            Re: Where to locate software Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> - 2016-06-10 13:28 -0500
    Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 11:30 -0400
      Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 12:48 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-09 18:55 +0000
      Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 16:00 -0400
        Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-09 14:18 -0700
          Microsoft "innovation", was: Re: Where to locate software Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-10 17:47 +0000
      Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 22:26 -0400
  Re: Where to locate software Dale Dellutri <daQQQle@panQQQix.com> - 2016-06-09 15:17 +0000
    Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-09 19:29 -0500
      Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-10 06:23 +0200
        Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-09 23:45 -0500
        Re: Where to locate software Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 21:51 -0700
          Re: Where to locate software Hans Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> - 2016-06-10 00:15 -0700
            Re: Where to locate software "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-10 08:26 -0500

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