Re: Where to locate software

From	David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.vms
Subject	Re: Where to locate software
Date	2016-06-09 11:43 -0400
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David Froble wrote:
> Stephen Hoffman wrote:
>> On 2016-06-09 12:58:12 +0000, Jan-Erik Soderholm said:
>>
>>> Now, why was I expecting just that. Instead of some useful tips...
>>
>> I've spent the last couple of weeks dealing with this particular 
>> question secondary to some software package and tools updates, and was 
>> striving to be civil about the current state of software packaging and 
>> related documentation on OpenVMS.
>>
>> That work has involved establishing what should be some simple product 
>> dependencies — akin to what app stacking or containers or other forms 
>> of packaging would routinely encounter — and the results have been 
>> stupidly complex.
>>
>> Knowing that there isn't any documentation and that there isn't any 
>> particular consistency here and that there aren't vendor 
>> recommendations — certainly not akin to the app bundles and containers 
>> that are available on some other platforms — is useful.
>>
>> Anybody got a copy of the DEC 1988-vintage software engineering 
>> handbook?  That was the closest I've encountered outside of the 
>> modular procedures, and the handbook is both massively outdated and 
>> not directly on point here.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Sadly, true ....
> 
> It would not have taken much to have a short chapter of generic 
> suggestions for where to place things.  At least enough to give users of 
> the OS some things to consider.  Actually, a good subject for FAQ ....

I've thought about this a bit more, and yes, FAQ is exactly where such questions 
should be answered.  Now, VMS doesn't have, as far as I know, an "OFFICIAL" FAQ. 
  Perhaps that should be addressed.  However, the existing FAQ can be very 
helpful, and should be included in any "OFFICIAL" FAQ, should such become 
available in the future.

Such an approach would both offer advice, and allow flexibility.

Thread

Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-08 18:18 -0500
  Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-08 19:39 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-08 20:28 -0500
  Re: Where to locate software "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com> - 2016-06-08 19:40 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-08 20:30 -0500
      Re: Where to locate software "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com> - 2016-06-08 22:24 -0400
        Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-08 22:57 -0500
  Re: Where to locate software Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 17:02 -0700
    Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-08 20:31 -0500
    Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-08 21:53 -0700
      Re: Where to locate software Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 22:19 -0700
      Re: Where to locate software Richard Levitte <richard@levitte.org> - 2016-06-09 02:47 -0700
        Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-09 13:39 -0700
  Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 08:42 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-09 14:58 +0200
      Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 10:27 -0400
        Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 11:33 -0400
          Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 11:43 -0400
            Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-09 09:19 -0700
              Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 13:13 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-09 18:58 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-09 18:59 +0000
              Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 22:01 -0400
                Re: VMS FAQ (was Re: Where to locate software) Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 10:58 -0400
                Re: VMS FAQ (was Re: Where to locate software) Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-10 16:50 +0000
          Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-09 13:28 -0400
            Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 22:06 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-09 13:58 +0000
      Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 11:16 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-09 14:46 +0000
      Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 12:43 -0400
        Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-09 13:50 -0700
        Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 22:20 -0400
          Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 11:11 -0400
            Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-10 11:56 -0400
              Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-10 10:19 -0700
              Re: Where to locate software Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-10 18:03 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 15:59 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-13 09:02 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-13 16:34 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-10 16:53 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Hans Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> - 2016-06-11 00:27 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-11 01:37 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Hans Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> - 2016-06-11 03:21 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 22:02 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 22:27 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-13 09:05 -0400
            Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-10 16:13 +0000
              Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 15:50 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-10 20:54 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 17:47 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-11 01:59 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-10 19:13 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-11 03:01 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-10 22:47 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-11 12:45 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-11 15:02 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 02:07 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 22:05 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 04:17 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-11 03:09 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-10 23:39 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-10 22:44 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-11 01:42 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-11 18:25 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-11 11:15 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-11 13:44 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-11 11:54 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-11 15:23 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-11 18:28 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 22:38 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-12 00:59 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 14:09 +0000
                devops / source control - (Was: Where to locate software) "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-12 10:43 -0500
                Re: devops / source control - (Was: Where to locate software) "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-12 11:08 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-12 12:53 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 17:31 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-12 15:23 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 20:28 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-12 17:49 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-13 13:02 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-13 09:40 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-13 14:33 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-13 16:20 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-13 15:12 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software RobertsonEricW <robertsonericw@netzero.net> - 2016-06-13 08:55 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> - 2016-06-13 09:07 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-16 15:16 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-16 20:25 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Richard Levitte <richard@levitte.org> - 2016-06-16 23:24 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 06:21 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 06:08 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-18 21:52 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-19 19:17 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-13 15:03 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-13 09:08 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-13 21:05 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-14 03:49 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-13 21:28 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-14 09:52 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-14 12:11 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-14 14:27 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-14 20:14 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 12:20 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-21 09:30 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Richard Levitte <richard@levitte.org> - 2016-06-21 09:34 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-07-02 08:23 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-14 16:22 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-14 16:20 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-21 09:28 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-14 18:55 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 11:18 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-15 12:17 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 14:30 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-15 07:39 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 15:23 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craig.a.berry@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 08:03 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 19:41 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-15 19:10 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-16 11:24 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-16 08:33 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-16 17:09 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-16 11:12 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Richard Levitte <richard@levitte.org> - 2016-06-16 12:32 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-16 17:48 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-16 20:29 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Richard Levitte <richard@levitte.org> - 2016-06-16 23:21 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 05:56 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-13 13:21 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> - 2016-06-12 14:46 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-12 17:53 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-12 12:57 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 18:03 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-12 12:46 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 22:37 -0400
            Re: Where to locate software Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> - 2016-06-10 13:28 -0500
    Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 11:30 -0400
      Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 12:48 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-09 18:55 +0000
      Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 16:00 -0400
        Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-09 14:18 -0700
          Microsoft "innovation", was: Re: Where to locate software Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-10 17:47 +0000
      Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 22:26 -0400
  Re: Where to locate software Dale Dellutri <daQQQle@panQQQix.com> - 2016-06-09 15:17 +0000
    Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-09 19:29 -0500
      Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-10 06:23 +0200
        Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-09 23:45 -0500
        Re: Where to locate software Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 21:51 -0700
          Re: Where to locate software Hans Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> - 2016-06-10 00:15 -0700
            Re: Where to locate software "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-10 08:26 -0500

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