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Re: Point particle

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Point particle
Date 2016-05-02 10:27 -0500
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On 4/29/2016 9:37 PM, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
> On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 6:39:16 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 4/28/2016 6:10 PM, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 5:32:04 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 4/27/2016 5:08 PM, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've never seen a material object with a 2D surface and neither have
>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>
>>>>> I note that you have not disputed that statement.
>>>>
>>>> I saw no point.
>>>
>>>    Nice pun there, but you explicitly do so below.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, now. 2D does not mean flat, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Not necessarily, no. That does not change what I wrote.
>>>
>>>    By the way, both of us in that exchange assumed the topological
>>> (mathematical!) meaning
>>> of "2D surface". "Not flat" here means "deformed plane".
>>>
>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      So, you make stuff out of wood.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      What polishing technique(s) do you use to get a 2D surface on wood?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's no need. A surface need not be smooth either. A dinner fork has
>>>>>> a surface.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Do you assert that it is 2D?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the surface of a dinner fork is 2D.
>>>
>>>    Hydrogen and helium molecules would disagree with you. As far as they're
>>> concerned, stainless steel doesn't *have* a surface of any dimension.
>>
>> I'm not sure I'm following you here. There is a surface, which can be
>> imaginary at first, which may not be static in time, that marks a
>> boundary between where hydrogen and helium atoms are, and where they are
>> not. Or conversely, a boundary between where atoms belonging to the
>> alloy steel are, and where they are not. (Those two boundaries, by the
>> way, may not coincide.)
>
>   I see that you're not following because when you connect dots as below,
> you mentally fill in the area between 3 or more dots with an imaginary plane,
> finite-element-analysis-wise, building a many-faced n-gon.

No, I'm really not. There is no assumption of FLATNESS anywhere in my 
description, even for an optically smooth fork, which is not necessarily 
flat anywhere.

Now, what I AM saying is that you can build a smooth (not flat, smooth) 
SURFACE covering the visible volume.

>
>   Hydrogen and helium are not burdened with your imagination. They can clearly
> see that your imaginary faces do not exist.

And how would they demonstrate that this surface does not exist?

>
>>>>>     If so, why can't you make a wooden object with a 2D surface?
>>>>
>>>> You can. If you like, imagine the surface of wood to be rough, in the
>>>> same way a large aggregation of dinner forks would be rough. But that
>>>> aggregation would have a 2D surface.
>>>
>>>    There, in a nutshell, you expose your habitual, inappropriate
>>> idealization of the dimensionality of surfaces according to human-
>>> sensory-scale limitations.
>>>
>>>    If you're mentally modeling the "surface" of any physical object, from a
>>> forest to a glass optical flat, by connecting the dots of its outermost
>>> atoms, most often you obtain a fractal dimension.
>>>
>>>    Yes, I know, you're going to point out that such idealizations are valid
>>> for forks because we seldom bother with the microscopic details of their
>>> surfaces. But you implicitly extended that to anything made of stainless
>>> steel, and as I pointed out, material objects are made of atoms and are
>>> therefore differentiable (as hydrogen molecules know), so they fail the
>>> basic requirement for topological two-dimensionality.
>>
>> I understand where you are coming from, but let's look it a little
>> differently. Let's suppose that the metal of the fork is optically
>> smooth, through some myopia. Then, despite the sharp tines, the fork has
>> a 2D surface, with that myopic proviso. Likewise, a bunch of welded
>> forks, despite a large number of sharp tines would have a 2D surface,
>> with that myopic proviso.
>
>   Again, human-sensory-scale limitations. Your 2D surface is imaginary.

So far, I agree with you.

>
>> So, now let's zoom in, not to the atomic level but enough to determine
>> that the surface of the fork has a number of irregularities. In fact,
>> there may be several dips and sharp points in those irregularities. But
>> that's no problem, right, because we already established that at a
>> higher level. At this level, having a number of "sharp tines" and
>> concavities doesn't change the fact that there's a 2D surface, though
>> still with some myopic proviso.
>
>   Sigh.

What's changed at this level?

>
>> So now go down to the atomic level. Now there are lots of convexities
>> and concavities, and in fact those are all moving around. So what? It's
>> basically the same as what we had previously.
>
>   To hydrogen and helium molecules those "concavities" are open holes.

Open holes to WHAT? The interior of the fork?

>
>
>   Mark L. Fergerson
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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  Re: Point particle "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 15:44 -0700
  Re: Point particle "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 20:19 -0700
    Re: Point particle Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 19:49 -0500
  Re: Point particle Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-04 07:38 -0500

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