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Re: plasma not a state of matter for no longer a bonding Re: Does Maxwell theory and equations cover "plasma"

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On 4/22/2016 4:01 PM, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 7:50:05 AM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 4/22/2016 1:16 AM, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
>>> On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 10:45:26 AM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 4/21/2016 12:29 AM, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
>>> (snipped)
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope what you are saying is true, for it says, then, that plasma is 100% EM energy and forget
>>>>> about "state of matter".
>>>>
>>>> I disagree. It is a state of matter that is fluid and is dominated by
>>>> electromagnetic interactions.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, the Maxwell theory such as Faraday law or Ampere law have to be inclusive of liquid and gas as
>>> well as solids.
>>
>> Of course, but in liquids or solids, most of the electromagnetic field
>> is confined INSIDE the atoms. Not so in a plasma.
>>
> (snipped)
>
> Then we would have to say in physics that ions are plasma and not a "state of matter".

Plasma consists of ions, yes.

> That a solid is a
> larger electromagnetic bonding than a liquid, and a liquid a larger EM bonding than a gas,

So far, so good.

> and finally we
> reach where there is no more "state of matter" for a plasma is energy, radiation, and no longer a bonding.

No. What is true is that the temperatures are high enough where the 
electrons are no longer bound to the nuclei, and all atoms are 
dissociated into ions. But ions are not energy.

> Plasma is not a physics state of matter.

I disagree.

>
>>> Well, the innermost stars of a spiral galaxy are seen as a fluid or gas that is solid-body rotation.
>>
>> Sorry, but fluids and gases are not solids.
>>
>
> So here again, what makes a State of Matter is the degree of EM bonding of the particles involved.

No. What makes a state of matter is whether it consists of a collection 
of interacting fermions. Electrons and nucleons are all fermions. Energy 
is not a collection of interacting fermions.

A state of matter is NOT defined by whether the fermions are assembled 
into neutral atoms.

> And where Plasma is no longer a bonding and thus, not a state of matter.
>
> AP
>


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Does Maxwell theory and equations cover "plasma" and derive plasma not as state of matter but as radiation energy Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 14:55 -0700
  Re: Does Maxwell theory and equations cover "plasma" and derive plasma not as state of matter but as radiation energy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 18:21 -0500
    Re: Does Maxwell theory and equations cover "plasma" and derive plasma not as state of matter but as radiation energy Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 22:29 -0700
      Re: Does Maxwell theory and equations cover "plasma" and derive plasma not as state of matter but as radiation energy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 10:45 -0500
        Re: Does Maxwell theory and equations cover "plasma" and derive plasma not as state of matter but as radiation energy Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 23:16 -0700
          Re: Does Maxwell theory and equations cover "plasma" and derive plasma not as state of matter but as radiation energy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 07:50 -0500
            plasma not a state of matter for no longer a bonding Re: Does Maxwell theory and equations cover "plasma" Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 14:01 -0700
              Re: plasma not a state of matter for no longer a bonding Re: Does Maxwell theory and equations cover "plasma" Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 22:34 -0700
                Re: plasma not a state of matter for no longer a bonding Re: Does Maxwell theory and equations cover "plasma" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 14:57 -0500
              Re: plasma not a state of matter for no longer a bonding Re: Does Maxwell theory and equations cover "plasma" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 08:33 -0500
                Re: plasma not a state of matter for no longer a bonding Re: Does Maxwell theory and equations cover "plasma" Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-04-23 22:52 -0700
                Re: plasma not a state of matter for no longer a bonding Re: Does Maxwell theory and equations cover "plasma" benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-04-24 02:02 -0400
                Re: plasma not a state of matter for no longer a bonding Re: Does Maxwell theory and equations cover "plasma" Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 15:42 -0500
                States of Matter in Physics is just a simplistic classification of the degree of EM bonding and there are only 3 states of matter Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 15:03 -0700
                Re: States of Matter in Physics is just a simplistic classification of the degree of EM bonding and there are only 3 states of matter Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 06:37 -0500
                plasma is not a "state of matter" but is energy, and evidence of this comes from size of Stars Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-04-25 23:38 -0700
                Re: plasma is not a "state of matter" but is energy, and evidence of this comes from size of Stars Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 08:50 -0500
                Re: plasma is not a "state of matter" but is energy, and evidence of this comes from size of Stars Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 09:48 -0500
                Re: plasma is not a "state of matter" but is energy, and evidence of this comes from size of Stars moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-26 14:54 +0000
                radius of Sun conform to gravity? Re: plasma is not a "state of matter" but is energy, and evidence of this comes from size of Stars Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 19:50 -0700
                radius of Sun conform to gravity? Re: plasma is not a "state of matter" but is energy, and evidence of this comes from size of Stars Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 01:42 -0700
                Re: radius of Sun conform to gravity? Re: plasma is not a "state of matter" but is energy, and evidence of this comes from size of Stars moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-28 17:02 +0000
                cheers to all the illogical people that infest science Re: plasma is not a "state of matter" but is energy, and evidence of this comes from size of Stars Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 15:21 -0700
                Re: cheers to all the illogical people that infest science Re: plasma is not a "state of matter" but is energy, and evidence of this comes from size of Stars Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 17:25 -0500
                Re: cheers to all the illogical people that infest science Re: plasma is not a "state of matter" but is energy, and evidence of this comes from size of Stars Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 22:32 -0700
                Re: cheers to all the illogical people that infest science Re: plasma is not a "state of matter" but is energy, and evidence of this comes from size of Stars Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 09:57 -0500
                dumb people in physics that mistake a Classification scheme for reality Re: plasma is not a "state of matter" but is energy, and evidence of this comes from size of Stars Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 15:35 -0700
                Re: dumb people in physics that mistake a Classification scheme for reality Re: plasma is not a "state of matter" but is energy, and evidence of this comes from size of Stars Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 06:56 -0500
                Re: cheers to all the illogical people that infest science Re: plasma is not a "state of matter" but is energy, and evidence of this comes from size of Stars moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-29 05:06 +0000
                radius of Sun conform to gravity? Re: plasma is not a "state of matter" but is energy, and evidence of this comes from size of Stars Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 13:57 -0700
                Re: radius of Sun conform to gravity? Re: plasma is not a "state of matter" but is energy, and evidence of this comes from size of Stars "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 16:28 -0700
                Re: radius of Sun conform to gravity? Re: plasma is not a "state of matter" but is energy, and evidence of this comes from size of Stars Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 22:43 -0700
                Re: radius of Sun conform to gravity? Re: plasma is not a "state of matter" but is energy, and evidence of this comes from size of Stars Archimedes Plutonium <plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 23:49 -0700
                Re: plasma not a state of matter for no longer a bonding Re: Does Maxwell theory and equations cover "plasma" "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-04-24 16:18 -0700

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