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On 3/12/2016 1:42 AM, john wrote:
> On 03/11/2016 10:37 AM, HVAC wrote:
>> Odd Bodkin  (Wrote: but HVAC hasn't the intelligence to actually properly
> reference other posts. Shit, He's gotten at bad as Glazier. Next he will
> be putting the post he's referencing in different posts from the replies
> like Herb does. Dance kook Dance.)
>
>    What fascinates me is how someone like John can in one
>> breath rant that money spent on fundamental, nonapplied physics is a
>> waste of resources when the problems of the world need immediate
>> attention, and then in the next breath present his own ideas for
>> fundamental, nonapplied physics and hope for interest in them. This
>> is an indication of internal torment -- wanting to be part of
>> something he claims to despise.
>
> I know reason and logic have no place in Odds or HVAC's fantasy life,
> but it takes a pretty big moron to not notice the gigantic amount of
> money spent on toys like Cern and the Super Collider when the world is
> overflowing with pollution that is threatening our very food chain.

Which, note, is why you present your ideas for LeSage gravity, particles 
too small to be detected, fractals at all scales, and life on protons, 
none of which -- I repeat, NONE -- do anything for solving pollution and 
fossil fuel energy problems.

Doesn't it bother you, John, that you whisper out both sides of your mouth?

> Playing with particle nonsense may be fun and even worth while at some
> level, but wasting huge budgets on it is like spending the family
> grocery money on liquor and lottery tickets. I presume, HVAC, that is
> how you ran your imaginary family.
>
>> What fascinates me is how John can say that any scientific method
>> that validates an idea he doesn't think makes sense can't be any good
>> as a method at all, and yet he spends a LOT of time on a newsgroup
>> devoted to fans of the scientific method. It's like someone who
>> thinks crystal worship is nonsense, spending all day visiting with
>> crystal worshipers and telling them that it's all nonsense. More
>> indication of internal conflict.
>
> What fascinates me is how HVAC thinks anyone not agreeing with his ego
> trip fantasies and amateur science is a "kook" yet the only people you
> post to are people you imagine are "kooks". And all Odd trolls (are you
> listening Odd? Oh he's got his fingers in his ears singing: La LA La I
> can't hear you!!!!) are people who find problems with all the
> establishment "stories" that are supposed to be science. You'd think if
> you wanted to show someone was a true "kook" you'd spend some time
> producing some evidence.

John, the evidence has been pointed to in the form of references 
(including pages, titles, authors) to reading material. But what's 
noticeable is that kooks like you don't want that. You want things 
spoonfed to you here on usenet? Why?
1) It's convenient to you and involves no work.
2) If it's on usenet, it's disputable as far as you're concerned, 
whereas if it's actually in print, you know you'd look like an idiot 
saying it's nonsense.

> Instead all we get is personal opinion which we
> are all (We means everyone here that isn't HVAC) suppose to blindly
> swallow hook line and sinker.

Nonsense. If it's documented, then it's fact, not opinion.
That's why you want it here on usenet, so that you can CALL IT just opinion.

>
>> Ben is a different kind of nut. He just says that ALL ideas should
>> be given equal effort of investigation, that ANY moderation or
>> editorial control is criminal oppression and censorship, and that
>> anything he has experienced is therefore the most important things
>> for science to investigate (ESP and UFOs and whatever included).
>
> Odd is so honest and sane he believes that all facts must be checked for
> establishment imprimatur and if they don't have it they must be censored
> and ridiculed.

I have no desire to censor them. Ridicule, yes, especially if they are 
CLEARLY full of holes (like photos of aliens that turn out to be photos 
of toys). Ridicule is not censorship.

> Needless to say this political nonsense has no place in
> real science. Both HVAC and Odd have censored themselves to the point
> where even when given precise references to million dollar government
> ESP research that produced positive results, they won't even admit it
> exists, let alone read it so they can debunk it.

Millions of dollars?? How is that solving pollution and world hunger, 
John??

Speaking out of both sides of your mouth again?

> Real professional. NOT!
>
>> ----------------
>>
>> Obviously BJ has a deep seated resentment against science and the
>> methods science uses to differentiate between fact and fuckwadism.
>> What this is exactly I don't know. I have speculated that his
>> interest/obsession with the paranormal caused him to be (rightfully
>> so) fired from his job. This could easily lead to his resentment. But
>> whatever the cause, the results are obvious in his abject hatred of
>> true science.
>
> HVAC if you were a journalist and not on the internet (where libel and
> slander is considered proper etiquette) I'd sue your ass from here
> Washington. I've never been fired from any job. And obviously as a
> scientist I love science just as you became a writer because you love
> fantasy. PS. I'm NOT mad. :-)
>
>> As for John... Well clearly John has had no science education
>> whatsoever, unless you include visits to 911truth.com.
>>
>> I'm sure that if I was to investigate a bit I could find the source
>> for his 'fractal' brand of science. But, while I support the
>> legalization of all drugs, I would never advocate their use. John is
>> a perfect example of why one should avoid mind altering drugs or
>> alcohol.
>
> More slander and libel. Where is your evidence that John uses drugs or
> the proof that you aren't lying about not using them. I say you are the
> most perfect example of a stoner I've ever seen.
>
> You and Odd sure are a waste of time. At least Odd and I are in
> agreement about conversations between him and me as being a waste of
> perfectly good bandwidth. Unlike you, HVAC, who are a waste of perfectly
> good skin.
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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