Re: 9/11 video- CIA operative spills all

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: 9/11 video- CIA operative spills all
Date	2016-03-11 11:41 -0600
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On 3/11/2016 9:22 AM, john wrote:
> When did I say that the scientific method
> is trash?
> Can you cite?

You said that if the scientific method leads people to believe in point 
particles or black holes or the like, then the scientific method 
produces trash.

>
> Standard Model is not right. It views
> things as being made from "fundamental
> particles". This is not a logical, same line
> of reasoning. Anyone who can think
> will call bullshit right there.

I disagree John. The scientific method says that EVERY SINGLE CLAIM can 
be questioned, and that models can be constructed that dispense with 
those claims, and as long as those models can be TESTED against 
experiment, then there is nothing wrong with those models. And moreover, 
if the experiments AGREE with the predictions of the model, then the 
model that has dispensed with the claim cannot be considered wrong.

So here, the claim that has been questioned is whether everything has 
structure and whether everything has volume. And models have been 
created that have bodies that have neither -- models involving 
fundamental particles. And those models agree with experimental 
observation. So as far as science is concerned, those models cannot be 
considered wrong.

On the contrary, you say there are certain statements that must be 
considered HOLY and INVIOLABLE. Statements like "Everything has 
structure" and "Everything has volume". To you, if a model is proposed 
that doesn't respect those, then it's wrong, period, end of story, and 
no agreement with experiment even matters, because it was bullshit to 
begin with.

You have holy and inviolable beliefs that you cannot conceive letting go 
of. But scientists do let go, and those models that come from that are 
experimentally successful.

You do not think like a scientist thinks.

>
> Now, are we clear?
>

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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