Re: I'm seriously disappointed

From	"A.G.McDowell" <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk>
Newsgroups	rec.arts.sf.written
Subject	Re: I'm seriously disappointed
Date	2016-02-13 18:51 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 13/02/2016 13:28, Torbjorn Lindgren wrote:
> A.G.McDowell<andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk>  wrote:
>> I can step in and give you a contrary view for you to shoot down - I
>> think it's been over-hyped. Huge efforts have produced a tour-de-force
>> of precision engineering, which can just about detect enough to show
>> that gravitational waves do in fact exist, confirming something we
>> thought we already knew. I'm not holding my breath for actual new
>> information coming out of this any time soon, and I'd be more impressed
>> if somebody was saying "but there's something not quite right we don't
>> understand yet".
>
> This is being worked on, scientists would in many way LOVE to detect
> something unexpected because that would give them something to "tug"
> on. Just because the first ever observation looks roughly standard
> doesn't mean there isn't details or uncommon features to find with
> more data.
>
> The biggest disappointment with the Higgs detection was how "standard"
> it was, though possible anomalies may now be showing up there finally
> but it's still very tentive.
>
> LIGO detected this event just weeks after starting up after their
> major upgrade!, they're now doing further upgrades between each run
> and I wouldn't rule out that there might be more events in the aLIGO
> run 01 that they've not had time to analyse fully yet.
>
> Also, Virgo (the other big gravitational wave detector) is just coming
> up after their big upgrade which will give more "eyes".
>
>
>> (although The Economist magazine hopes that observations of
>> gravitational waves might allow us to observe more extreme events
>> where relativity as currently understood break down - so maybe I am
>> too pessimistic.)
>
> That's one of the reasons why they're being studied.
>
> If they HADN'T detected something at either LIGO or Virgo within a few
> years after these upgrades, that alone might well have been a big clue
> that something was off with the theories!
>
> It's not always what you detect, sometimes what you DON'T detect is at
> least as important.
>
>
Thanks - I should have spotted that point.

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I'm seriously disappointed Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com> - 2016-02-12 22:11 -0800
  Re: I'm seriously disappointed "A.G.McDowell" <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> - 2016-02-13 11:40 +0000
    Re: I'm seriously disappointed Torbjorn Lindgren <tl@none.invalid> - 2016-02-13 13:28 +0000
      Re: I'm seriously disappointed "A.G.McDowell" <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> - 2016-02-13 18:51 +0000
      Re: I'm seriously disappointed Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 14:58 -0700
    Re: I'm seriously disappointed Stephen Allcroft <stephenallcroft@lycos.co.uk> - 2016-02-13 06:34 -0800
    Re: I'm seriously disappointed Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2016-02-13 11:54 -0500
      Re: I'm seriously disappointed "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 13:21 -0500
      Re: I'm seriously disappointed 103134.3516@compuserve.com - 2016-02-15 10:44 -0800
    Re: I'm seriously disappointed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-13 11:51 -0800
      Re: I'm seriously disappointed "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2016-02-13 15:04 -0500
    Re: I'm seriously disappointed Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-02-14 07:30 -0800
  Re: I'm seriously disappointed Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2016-02-13 04:53 -0800
    Re: I'm seriously disappointed Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com> - 2016-02-13 03:52 -0800
      Re: I'm seriously disappointed The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-14 23:41 -0800
  Re: I'm seriously disappointed "C. E. Gee" <thelastearthman@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 09:24 -0800
  Re: I'm seriously disappointed The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-14 14:45 -0800
    Re: I'm seriously disappointed The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-14 14:46 -0800
      Re: I'm seriously disappointed The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-14 16:28 -0800
        Re: I'm seriously disappointed benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 00:43 -0500
          Re: I'm seriously disappointed The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-15 08:52 -0800
            Re: I'm seriously disappointed The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-15 23:09 -0800
              Re: I'm seriously disappointed "Notroll2016" <notroll2015@charter.net> - 2016-02-16 07:09 -0600
              Re: I'm seriously disappointed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-16 12:52 -0800
                Re: I'm seriously disappointed Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2016-02-16 17:08 -0700
                Re: I'm seriously disappointed hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2016-02-16 18:31 -0800
                Re: I'm seriously disappointed Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com> - 2016-02-16 18:34 -0800
                Re: I'm seriously disappointed Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 23:49 -0600
                Re: I'm seriously disappointed hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2016-02-16 22:12 -0800
                Re: I'm seriously disappointed Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com> - 2016-02-17 00:56 -0800
                Re: I'm seriously disappointed The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-17 09:39 -0800
                Re: I'm seriously disappointed Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com> - 2016-02-17 15:31 -0800
                Re: I'm seriously disappointed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-18 08:47 -0800
                Re: I'm seriously disappointed Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-02-18 11:46 -0800
                Re: I'm seriously disappointed Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com> - 2016-02-18 20:00 -0800
                Re: I'm seriously disappointed Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-18 20:34 -0800
                Re: I'm seriously disappointed Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com> - 2016-02-19 00:44 -0800
                Re: I'm seriously disappointed Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 22:26 -0600
                Re: I'm seriously disappointed Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com> - 2016-02-17 15:18 -0800
                Re: I'm seriously disappointed The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-02-16 22:33 -0800
                Re: I'm seriously disappointed Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2016-02-18 08:55 +0800
                Re: I'm seriously disappointed Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-02-17 19:04 -0800
                Re: I'm seriously disappointed Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2016-02-19 10:56 +0800
                Re: I'm seriously disappointed benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 01:27 -0500
    Re: I'm seriously disappointed Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com> - 2016-02-15 17:48 -0800
  Re: I'm seriously disappointed hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2016-02-18 19:20 -0800
    Re: I'm seriously disappointed Dan Tilque <dtilque@frontier.com> - 2016-02-19 00:39 -0800

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