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Re: Our brain has a spellchecker

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Our brain has a spellchecker
Date 2016-02-11 13:23 -0600
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On 2/11/2016 1:06 PM, benj wrote:
> On 02/11/2016 11:55 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 2/10/2016 8:46 PM, benj wrote:
>>> On 02/10/2016 02:01 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 2/10/2016 12:37 PM, benj wrote:
>>>>> NO models are true. NONE can be proven true by mathematics. And that
>>>>> fact HAS been proven!
>>>>
>>>> Truth in science is not based on mathematical proof, Ben. Never has
>>>> been. Truth in science is a) always provisional, b) based on comparison
>>>> with experimental evidence. When a scientist says that a theory is
>>>> valid, what it means is that it is currently accepted because it has
>>>> the
>>>> greatest success so far in agreement with experimental data.
>>>> Mathematical proof does not even enter into that assessment.
>>>>
>>> Boinker you are a hoot. First you repeat what I just told you to try to
>>> convince everyone that somehow this is YOUR point and not mine, and then
>>> after a lifetime here of worshiping mathematical models as more real
>>> than reality you say math has nothing to do with science.
>>
>> No, I didn't say that math has nothing to do with science. What I said
>> is that you don't PROVE scientific models with math. Math is very
>> ingrained in science as a LANGUAGE used to describe the models. But
>> proof is not the function of the math there. Period.
>
> The effort dear Odd is to construct a 1:1 correspondence between the
> laws of nature and the mathematical model of them.

This is using math as a LANGUAGE to express the model, what I said.

> If you can prove
> something in the math then this provides PREDICTION of things to be
> looked for in nature.

You are not PROVING anything in the math. You are following from 
hypothesis to consequence by using logical rules in math. This of course 
proves nothing. Calculation is not proving.

> So clearly proof in math has a central function in
> science. Period.

Sorry, but no, this is flat wrong.

>
> Of course now you will pretend to explain to me how proving something in
> the model does not prove it in the laws of nature. That must be done by
> experiment and observations.

That's right.

> Everyone will then be expected to think
> that the knowledgeable Odd is setting the Kook BJ straight. They are
> supposed to forget that I've been pounding on you forever with these
> ideas and you are finally coming around. You are so small.

I don't think it's accurate to say that I'm "finally coming around". 
I've ALWAYS stated these things.



-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Our brain has a spellchecker john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 06:33 -0800
  Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Sergio <imvalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-10 09:16 -0600
  Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 09:51 -0600
    Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Mike Duffy <Invalid@nosuch.com> - 2016-02-10 11:22 -0500
      Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 10:34 -0600
        Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Mike Duffy <Invalid@nosuch.com> - 2016-02-10 12:22 -0500
          Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 11:24 -0600
          Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 11:42 -0600
            Re: Our brain has a spellchecker john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 10:07 -0800
              Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 12:09 -0600
              Re: Our brain has a spellchecker HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 11:00 -0800
            Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Mike Duffy <Invalid@nosuch.com> - 2016-02-10 13:12 -0500
              Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 12:33 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 14:01 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 13:06 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 21:48 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 10:58 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 09:05 -0800
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 14:14 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 14:12 -0500
            Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 13:37 -0500
              Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 13:01 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 11:34 -0800
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 21:46 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 10:55 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 14:06 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 13:23 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 11:53 -0800
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                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 19:33 -0800
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                Re: Text size of your posts Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 17:56 -0800
                Re: Text size of your posts HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 18:43 -0800
                Re: Text size of your posts Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 20:56 -0800
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                Re: Text size of your posts Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-13 01:05 +0100
                Re: Text size of your posts Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 16:28 -0800
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 19:33 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 07:09 -0600
      Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 10:38 -0600
        Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 13:31 -0500
          Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 12:52 -0600
            Re: Our brain has a spellchecker HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 11:09 -0800
              Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 21:52 -0500
            Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 14:14 -0500
              Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 14:16 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 16:24 -0800
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 22:13 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 22:06 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 11:19 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 14:21 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 13:54 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 19:48 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 07:12 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 07:12 -0800
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 09:50 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 10:11 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:46 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:36 -0500
          Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Mike Duffy <Invalid@nosuch.com> - 2016-02-10 14:40 -0500
            Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-10 20:51 +0100
              Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 14:56 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 13:49 -0800
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-11 00:13 +0100
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 17:19 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-11 00:38 +0100
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 20:35 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 22:15 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 11:20 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 09:33 -0800
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 14:23 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 15:15 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 19:49 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-11 08:02 +0100
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Mike Duffy <Invalid@nosuch.com> - 2016-02-11 02:33 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 11:28 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-11 19:53 +0100
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-11 20:22 +0100
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 15:12 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 16:26 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Mike Duffy <Invalid@nosuch.com> - 2016-02-11 19:25 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-12 08:21 +0100
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Mike Duffy <mqduffy001@bell.net> - 2016-02-12 18:17 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 07:06 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 10:54 -0800
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 13:05 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 11:36 -0800
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 00:28 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-13 20:21 +0100
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 14:09 -0800
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 20:22 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:53 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:05 -0600
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 00:52 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:34 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-13 00:44 +0100
              Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Mike Duffy <Invalid@nosuch.com> - 2016-02-10 17:34 -0500
                Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-10 23:53 +0100
            Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 14:17 -0600
      Re: Our brain has a spellchecker HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 09:03 -0800
        Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 13:35 -0500
  Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 10:35 -0600
  Our brain has a spellchecker HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 08:57 -0800
    Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 13:33 -0500
  Re: Our brain has a spellchecker moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-02-10 18:40 +0000
  Re: Our brain has a spellchecker "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 10:02 -0800
    Re: Our brain has a spellchecker HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 10:12 -0800
      Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 14:33 -0500
    Re: Our brain has a spellchecker Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 12:13 -0600
    Re: Our brain has a spellchecker benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 14:26 -0500
    Re: Our brain has a spellchecker "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-02-11 20:02 -0800

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