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Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast

From kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.free.newsservers, alt.usenet.kooks, sci.physics
Subject Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast
Date 2016-02-04 23:50 -0500
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On 04/02/2016 12:16 PM, Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus wrote:
>> 1. On a winter's night, with snow on the ground, is it typically colder
>>      or warmer when there is cloud cover versus when it is clear?
>
> clouds over water, snow or ice will have negligible effect on temperature.

BZZZT!

http://littleshop.physics.colostate.edu/activities/atmos1/ColderOnClearThanCloudy.pdf

You bit my shiny hook at last, ko0ky, and thus exposed your l0on climate 
change denial, and yourself, as intellectually bankrupt.

Final victory on the climate change question goes to kensi.

Thank you for playing, goodbye.

>> 2. What might NASA have meant by "an active Sun" *other* than sunspot
>>      activity?
>
> There's no mention of "sunspot activity" in the *three* referenced

Non-answer. What I said was mentioned word-for-word was "an active Sun". 
You have k'lamed that they meant something different from "sunspot 
activity" by this. You have been asked to state exactly what.

Our ruling on question #2 is that you answered with (approximately 200 
screedy lines of) *crickets*.

Thus, Question 2 remains unanswered.

> And you call yourself an astrophysicist? Pshaw, you're not even smart
> enough to be an astrologer.

To get angles summing to other than 180 degrees the triangle has to be 
in a curved manifold. The angle sum will be less the more negative the 
curvature's manifold, and greater the more positive, being 180 when the 
manifold is flat. A good example: take the meridians at 0 degrees and 90 
degrees longitude on Earth, and take the segments of these meridians 
from north pole to equator. Add in the arc of the equator joining these 
endpoints by the shortest distance. This is a triangle in Earth's 
surface as a curved manifold, as the sides are segments of great 
circles, which are geodesics of that manifold. The interior angles are 
all 90 degrees, so the angle sum is 270 degrees.

 From this can be intuited that the relative scale of the triangle and 
the (possibly negative) radius of curvature of the manifold determines 
the angle excess/deficit, as making the sphere and triangle smaller by 
the same factor preserves the angle sum of 270. (Earth is actually 
(approximately) an oblate spheroid, which doesn't alter the angles, 
though it makes the triangle a not-quite-equilateral isosceles 
triangle.) Make only the triangle smaller and the angle excess shrinks 
toward zero, the angle sum tending to 180, and ditto making only the 
sphere bigger. The exact quantitative relationship is given by the 
Gauss-Bonnet theorem, which states:

integral_M K dA + integral_dM k_g ds = 2*pi*chi(M)

where M is the portion of the manifold enclosed by the triangle (or, 
actually, any figure) and dA differential units of the enclosed area, K 
is the Gaussian curvature over M, dM is the triangle itself (or other 
figure), k_g is the geodesic curvature of this boundary, ds is the 
differential on the perimeter (so integral_M dA = area A and integral_dM 
ds = perimeter s), and chi(M) is the Euler characteristic of M (1 for a 
simply-connected, bounded area with no holes such as our triangle). For 
a piecewise-geodesic boundary like our triangle, integral_dm k_g ds is 
the sum of the angles by which the geodesic segments turn at the corners 
of the boundary, which is pi minus the interior angles. So for the 
triangle, it's 3*pi minus the sum of the interior angles whose sum with 
integral_M K dA equals 2*pi*chi(M) = 2*pi, i.e. 3*pi - angle_sum + 
curvature_integral = 2*pi, or angle_sum - pi = curvature_integral -- the 
deviation of the angle sum from 180 degrees (but expressed in radians) 
equals the integral of the curvature of the manifold over the portion 
enclosed by the triangle. For a manifold of constant curvature (e.g. a 
sphere) that integral equals the triangle's area times the constant 
curvature (so, the angle deviation grows as the triangle's area grows, 
and as the curvature grows); the curvature in question is 1/r^2 where r 
is the radius of curvature (for a sphere, this is the radius of the 
sphere; for a manifold of constant negative curvature, it's actually 
imaginary and of smaller magnitude as the curvature becomes stronger).

The importance of the foregoing to an astrophysicist is, of course, 
general relativity. Space itself (and indeed, space-time) is a curved 
manifold, and in fact this phenomenon affects not only "plane" figures 
but solids, and thus spherical angles, in curved space(-time). For 
instance, a tetrahedron's four interior solid angles' sum will change 
near, say, a black hole or other dense object. (There's no nice tidy 
constant in steradians here analogous to angle sum = pi radians for a 
plane triangle; the sum of the solid angles of a tetrahedron depends on 
the six dihedral angles of the tetrahedron, being twice their sum minus 
4*pi. For the regular, Platonic solid tetrahedron with 
equilaterial-triangle faces, in Euclidean space, it's 6*cos^-1(1/3) - 
4*pi, and will exceed this in positively-curved space and be deficient 
of it in negatively-curved space.)

> <sn<SMACKAK00K!>

Since you have now been thoroughly and utterly *destroyed* on every one 
of your kOoky contentions, our ruling is: Snicker denied.

*snicker*

-- 
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain
the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy." ~David Brooks
"I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade
in here."                                                     ~Checkmate

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Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-04 02:05 -0500
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  Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-04 18:16 +0100
    Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-04 10:35 -0700
    Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-04 23:50 -0500
      Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-04 21:30 -0800
        Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-05 13:58 -0500
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      Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-05 07:30 +0100
        Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-05 14:14 -0500
          Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-05 11:19 -0800
            Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-05 16:41 -0500
              Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-05 14:49 -0800
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-05 16:09 -0700
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-05 18:55 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-05 17:53 -0700
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              Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-06 06:56 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-06 02:00 -0700
          Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-05 16:33 -0500
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                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-06 19:35 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-06 12:07 -0700
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-06 14:34 -0500
          Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-06 07:38 +0100
            Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-06 02:00 -0500
              Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-06 18:20 +0100
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                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-07 00:39 +0100
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                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-07 06:51 +0100
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                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-08 00:41 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-08 07:53 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-08 18:49 +0100
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                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-10 05:45 -0700
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                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-09 13:29 -0800
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "\"Fakey's\" dogwhistle holder living at 5907 Stanton Ave., Pittsburgh, PA (aka Teh Mop  Jockey), socked up as 5907 Stanton Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15206-2117" <root@127.0.0.1> - 2016-02-09 23:47 -0500
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                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-09 10:25 -0700
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              Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-06 02:16 -0800
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                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-06 05:44 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-06 03:59 -0700
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-06 03:04 -0800
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-06 18:57 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-06 11:26 -0700
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                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-06 20:16 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-07 06:05 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-07 20:39 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-08 06:06 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-08 00:34 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-08 06:58 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-07 21:55 -0800
              Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-06 05:17 -0500
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-06 03:57 -0700
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast "Checkmate, DoW #1" <Lunatic.Fringe@The.Edge> - 2016-02-06 03:07 -0800
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    Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Jed Clampett <jc@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-10 20:53 -0800
      Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-11 07:17 +0100
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          Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast kensi <kkensington01@gmail.invalid> - 2016-02-11 01:35 -0500
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              Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler Emeritus <FNVWe@altusenetkooks.xxx> - 2016-02-11 17:50 +0100
                Re: Questions ko0ky runs away from really fast Skeeter <skeet@invalid.invalid> - 2016-02-11 12:27 -0700
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