Re: Questions for John Sefton

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: Questions for John Sefton
Date	2016-01-21 14:46 -0600
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On 1/21/2016 2:29 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> Explain further how "fields are not material
> but they are physical".
> You very often skirt past this
> nothin-can-be-something
> kind of schizophrenia with a kind of glazed
> religious fervor.
> I'm interested, because your vision of
> a field seems to be so much more structural
> than dynamic.
>

I find it interesting, John, that you equate immaterial with nothing. 
Maybe you can explain the basis of your claim that the only things that 
are really "something" are material somethings.

Michael Faraday was among the first to take note that reality included 
something he called a field. Michael Faraday did this in the early 
1800s, so it's not like this is a concept born in the era where you, 
John, think physics went astray. So, John, I wonder how far back you 
need to go in the history of science before you get to the point where 
you don't think it was seriously off track. Henry Wilson likes 19th 
century physics, he says, and so he embraces fields -- but you don't.

Maybe if we go back to Democritus, who coined the word "atom", which 
means "that which cannot be cut into smaller pieces". Democritus lived 
in the 4th century BC. Do we need to go back further than that? How 
about the science of the ancient Sumerians. Is that stuff ok by you?
(Oh, it's true that one proton and one electron make up the smallest 
unit of hydrogen, and we still call that a hydrogen atom, but given the 
meaning of "atom", it's clear we are using inappropriate language for 
it. But is this the kind of thing where you get flustered and claim that 
ordinary language doesn't have shifting meaning like physics jargon?)

As for describing what a field is, I've done this before, John. I had 
assumed you read it and remember it. So I'm assuming I don't have to 
repeat all that to you.

But getting back to what is physical, is energy physical, John? Or would 
you say it is NOTHING because it is not material? Do you begin to see 
where some of your own assumptions might not be wholly self-consistent 
and so should be re-examined?

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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  Re: Questions for John Sefton James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 13:06 -0800
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      Re: Questions for John Sefton James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 15:28 -0800
        Re: Questions for John Sefton Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 18:07 -0600
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    Re: Questions for John Sefton James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 09:55 -0800
      Re: Questions for John Sefton Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-20 12:53 -0600
      Re: Questions for John Sefton Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 16:40 -0600
        Re: Questions for John Sefton James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 15:23 -0800
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