Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn)

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Subject	Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn)
Date	2016-01-16 19:17 -0600
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On 1/16/2016 11:14 AM, James McGinn wrote:
> On Saturday, January 16, 2016 at 1:35:54 AM UTC-8, Ross A. Finlayson
> wrote:

Uh.  There's more drag because it's wet.

You are confusing lift with traction,
where there is more traction when it's dry.

Water is a most interesting substance, and
has matter of factly many, many phases,
besides our usual water, ice, and steam.

These are usually at extremely high and
low temperature regimes, as of the super
cooled water, and live steam.

There are many an engineering and steam-
fitter's handbook with quite the few many
charts as to the behavior of water under
temperature and pressure.

In the biological realm, hydrophilicity
and the ubiquity of water as the universal
solvent is a critical component as the
medium of most molecular reactions and
molecular mechanics in respiratory cycles
and the structural folding mechanics of
proteins.

The hydrogen bond as under van der Waal's
is a weak agglomeration as of liquids, vis-
a-vis, gases, where it is a usual course
that stochastic motion as imparted by the
energy or heat of the particles leaves
them variously set and jostled.

These bonds aren't as strong as molecular
bonds as usually define molecules and thusly
their molecular or chemical properties, in
terms of the chemical elements.  They are
moreso simply the establishment of phase
(material phase) in terms of settings of
uniform media, and various aggregates,
solutions, mixes, dispersions, and such.

>
> There is more drag because moist air is denser.  But that is true for
> dry air also, but denser dry air increases lift. In contrast, denser,
> moist air reduces lift.

wrong.

>

>
> There is no traction involved in aerodynamics, AFAICT. I think you
> are confused.

you remain confused, and a troll

>
>
> I are preaching to the choir.  You can explain underlying basis of

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Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 18:10 -0800
  Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2016-01-16 09:59 +0100
    Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 01:35 -0800
      Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 09:14 -0800
        Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-16 19:17 -0600
        Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 18:02 -0800
          Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 18:39 -0800
            Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-16 23:26 -0600
          Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 18:41 -0800
            Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-16 23:26 -0600
            Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 22:41 -0800
              Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 22:52 -0800
                Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 23:44 -0800
                Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 00:43 -0800
                Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-17 10:16 -0600
    Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 08:54 -0800
      Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-16 19:18 -0600
    Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 16:35 -0800
      Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-16 19:18 -0600
  Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-17 11:43 +1100
    Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-16 19:19 -0600
    Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 17:46 -0800
      Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-16 20:13 -0600
      Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-17 15:47 +1100
        Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 21:04 -0800
          Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-16 23:27 -0600
          Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-17 16:57 +1100
            Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 22:21 -0800
              Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-17 10:21 -0600
            Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2016-01-17 06:32 +0000
              Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 22:43 -0800
                Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-17 10:23 -0600
  Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-17 23:50 +1100
    Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 11:05 -0800
      Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-17 14:29 -0600
      Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-18 11:52 +1100
        Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2016-01-18 00:59 +0000
          Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-18 13:18 +1100
            Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 18:39 -0800
              Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-18 00:32 -0600
              Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-18 13:17 -0600
                Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-20 10:02 -0800
                Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-20 12:58 -0600
                Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-01-22 16:38 -0800
                Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-22 19:14 -0600
            Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2016-01-18 13:44 +0000
        Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-01-17 17:50 -0800
          Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-18 00:34 -0600
  Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-17 13:33 -0600
  Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-01-25 10:14 -0800
  Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-01-26 14:14 -0800
    Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-28 22:29 -0800
  Re: Why Moist Air Reduces Aerodynamic Lift (by James McGinn) James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-31 22:28 -0800

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