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Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software

From Desk Rabbit <me@example.com>
Newsgroups alt.comp.freeware, alt.computer.security, alt.hacker, alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software
Date 2015-12-24 11:41 +0000
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <n5glfl$din$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org> (permalink)
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On 23/12/2015 16:19, Slimer wrote:
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> On 2015-12-23 5:12 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>> On 21/12/2015 15:45, Slimer wrote:
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>>> On 2015-12-21 10:37 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>> On 21/12/2015 14:58, Slimer wrote:
>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-12-21 9:47 AM, linuxiac wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 09:07:43 -0500, Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-12-21 3:17 AM, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>> The discovery of spying code nestled deeply in
>>>>>>>> Juniper's networking equipment, the latest example of a
>>>>>>>> major IT vendor caught up in an damaging cyberattack,
>>>>>>>> raises many questions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Juniper said Thursday that one of its firewall
>>>>>>>> operating systems had been modified to allow secret
>>>>>>>> access, posing a huge threat to companies and
>>>>>>>> organizations using the equipment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Security experts wondered how the modifications could
>>>>>>>> have been made years ago to some of Juniper's most
>>>>>>>> sensitive source code without it knowing until
>>>>>>>> recently. Companies try to vigorously protect their
>>>>>>>> source code, which is an IT company's core intellectual
>>>>>>>> property.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/3017395/juniper-faces-many-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
> questions-after-spying-code-planted-in-software.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another unix based product full of security holes.
>>>>>>>> Imagine that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm just wondering whether the source code of the
>>>>>>> product was open to everyone or whether it was
>>>>>>> proprietary. The article doesn't say much about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's based on FreeBSD. I believe it's proprietary but I'm
>>>>>> not positive.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anything, the article makes proprietary software rather
>>>>> than UNIX or Linux look bad. Even as a Windows user, I see
>>>>> the benefit of free software as something which would prevent
>>>>> such things from occurring.
>>>>
>>>> Can't see how. At least commercial companies with proper
>>>> certification will be required to audit on a regular basis
>>>> (Note this was found "“During a recent internal code review").
>>>>
>>>> There have been a number of bugs in open source that IIRC have
>>>> been around a long time, reported and left unfixed.
>>>>
>>>> Unless you are a coding expert and have hours to spend pouring
>>>> over the source code looking for backdoors, bugs etc, having
>>>> access to the source code is no benefit.
>>>>
>>>> Bottom line, all code can be compromised.
>>>
>>> Agreed. The difference is that if you DO find a problem with
>>> free software of any kind, you can fix it yourself rather than
>>> wait for some developer to do it. Still, most people would wait.
>>
>> Most cars have service manuals (Haynes) but very few people have
>> the skill, tools and time to repair them, the same is true of Open
>> Source software. Besides which, unless you get your code back into
>> the repo and approved, you'll be running a different version. Also
>> fixing a single bug in isolation could cause more problems if you
>> don't understand how the whole lot works so you could introduce a
>> new set of problems.
>>
>> It's a nice idea but few small businesses (Who make up the majority
>> of businesses here in the UK) don't have the skills in house to
>> fix software so they'd have to hire someone. This makes Open Source
>> more expensive in the long run.
>
> You might be right. I guess that in the end, free software ends up
> being the cheaper choice only if you either produce it from scratch
> and have people in house customize all of the code for you to create a
> separate, almost proprietary version strictly for your company's use
> or if you buy something like Redhat and get their guys to support you
> or fix the code for you. Either way, it's hard not to appreciate the
> philosophy of free software.

Oh it's a great philosophy but having access to the source is only 
useful for a small subset of the user base, it's not something that you 
could sell to the average business owner as a benefit.

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Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2015-12-21 09:17 +0100
  Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-12-21 09:07 -0500
    Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software linuxiac <linuxiac@usa.com> - 2015-12-21 14:47 +0000
      Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-12-21 09:58 -0500
        Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-12-21 15:37 +0000
          Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-12-21 10:45 -0500
            Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-12-23 10:12 +0000
              Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-12-23 11:19 -0500
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-12-24 11:41 +0000
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-12-24 14:21 +0100
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-12-24 11:54 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2015-12-24 13:49 -0800
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-12-24 15:24 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.net> - 2015-12-24 15:32 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-12-24 20:00 -0500
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-28 06:55 -0600
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.net> - 2015-12-28 11:08 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-28 13:26 -0600
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-12-28 13:02 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.net> - 2015-12-28 13:30 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-28 15:01 -0600
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> - 2015-12-28 18:33 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-12-28 20:45 -0500
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-12-28 19:02 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> - 2015-12-29 13:53 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-12-30 01:35 +0000
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-12-29 19:03 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-30 06:15 -0600
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-12-30 09:33 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-01-03 05:18 +0000
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-30 06:24 -0600
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-28 15:17 -0600
                Re: Eddie Haskell admits: William Jefferson Clinton lied to the country when he said Iraq had WMD Anonymous <anonymous@foto.nl1.torservers.net> - 2015-12-28 18:05 -0500
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-12-29 21:00 +0000
                Re: Eddie Haskell admits: William Jefferson Clinton lied to the country when he said Iraq had WMD Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-12-28 23:26 +0000
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2015-12-29 00:54 +0000
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software G. Morgan <graham@grahammorgan.name> - 2015-12-30 16:39 -0600
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-12-31 03:20 +0000
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-31 08:25 -0600
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2016-01-01 11:47 +0100
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software "p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple" <super.pooh@furryfreeware.invalid> - 2016-01-01 11:38 +0000
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-01 11:11 -0500
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-12-28 14:42 -0500
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.net> - 2015-12-28 13:34 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-28 15:03 -0600
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> - 2015-12-28 18:35 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-29 06:21 -0600
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> - 2015-12-29 13:54 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-12-29 18:07 -0500
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-30 06:05 -0600
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-12-30 13:13 +0100
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-12-30 09:32 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> - 2015-12-30 13:36 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-12-28 16:35 -0500
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-12-28 16:55 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> - 2015-12-28 18:38 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-12-28 19:00 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-29 06:24 -0600
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> - 2015-12-29 13:55 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> - 2015-12-28 18:36 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2015-12-29 03:26 +0100
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Snerdly <noneofyourbusiness@anyway.com> - 2015-12-29 13:56 -0700
                Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-12-24 10:46 -0500
        Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Jeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> - 2015-12-21 23:38 +0100
          Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-12-21 19:05 -0500
          Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-22 07:04 -0600
      Re: Juniper faces many questions after spying code planted in software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-21 09:10 -0600

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