Re: How massive can black holes get?

From	moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: How massive can black holes get?
Date	2015-12-01 18:13 +0000
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john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> writes:

>john <johnse...@gmail.com> writes: 

>>Michael 
>>It's amazing how stupid you are! 

>-Why do you say that?  I ask how the hell -"NOTHING", "A volume with NO 
>-MATTER" (your words) can have a mass of 4.1 --million suns, and what could 
>-possibly have that enormous mass yet be so -small (about solar system 
>-sized).  Asking questions in science is never -stupid. 

>Well!
>Since you put it THAT way....
>I'll repeat:
>the Universe repeats its structure
>at smaller and smaller sizes.
>NO MATTER simply means none of OUR
>sized matter. ALL the smaller-sized
>layers are inside the Hole, and- since
>you are so focussed on curved Spacetime-
>they curve Spacetime right there far
>more than our matter can survive.
>Got it?

If it (SGR A*) warps spacetime, it's matter, or rather mass-energy.  And
we know "it" has a mass of 4.1 million suns.  4.1 million suns of our
matter, assuming your foolishness of smaller-sized layers even exists, and
of course there is no reason to make such an assumption.

So there is 4.1 million suns worth of our matter there, since it has 
gravitational effects on several stars and keeps them in orbit around it.

So, since you don't believe in black holes, tell me what "it" is.  We
know "it" has a mass of 4.1 million suns, yet "it" produces very little
energy, and "it" is quite small, relatively speaking (solar system sized).
What can "it" possibly be?  And since you think everything must be made of
something, what is "it" made of?  Electrons/protons/neutrons?  In the form
of ordinary atoms?  Remember, "it" must be "our" mass by definition, since 
we (definitely!) see its gravitational effects.  4.1 million suns of
gravitational effects.

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How massive can black holes get? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 09:25 -0600
  Re: How massive can black holes get? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 09:49 -0800
    Re: How massive can black holes get? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 11:57 -0600
      Re: How massive can black holes get? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 10:14 -0800
        Re: How massive can black holes get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-11-30 19:02 +0000
          Re: How massive can black holes get? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 14:39 -0800
            Re: How massive can black holes get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-11-30 23:08 +0000
              Re: How massive can black holes get? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 15:26 -0800
                Re: How massive can black holes get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-12-01 03:31 +0000
                Re: How massive can black holes get? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 06:58 -0800
                Re: How massive can black holes get? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 07:08 -0800
                Re: How massive can black holes get? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 08:11 -0800
                Re: How massive can black holes get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 10:17 -0600
                Re: How massive can black holes get? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 08:21 -0800
                Re: How massive can black holes get? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 18:20 -0500
                Re: How massive can black holes get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-12-01 16:43 +0000
                Re: How massive can black holes get? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 08:52 -0800
                Re: How massive can black holes get? Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 14:20 -0800
                Re: How massive can black holes get? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 17:17 -0800
                Re: How massive can black holes get? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 09:08 -0800
                Re: How massive can black holes get? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 09:21 -0800
                Re: How massive can black holes get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-12-01 18:13 +0000
                Re: How massive can black holes get? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 13:47 -0800
                Re: How massive can black holes get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-12-01 22:07 +0000
                Re: How massive can black holes get? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 14:18 -0800
                Re: How massive can black holes get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 16:32 -0600
                Re: How massive can black holes get? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 14:49 -0800
                Re: How massive can black holes get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 16:58 -0600
                Re: How massive can black holes get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 16:33 -0600
                Re: How massive can black holes get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-12-01 23:38 +0000
                Re: How massive can black holes get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 10:05 -0600
        Re: How massive can black holes get? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 10:01 -0800
      Re: How massive can black holes get? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 09:58 -0800
        Re: How massive can black holes get? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 12:06 -0600
          Re: How massive can black holes get? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 15:44 -0800
            Re: How massive can black holes get? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 17:55 -0600
            Re: How massive can black holes get? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 23:15 -0500
        Re: How massive can black holes get? HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 10:10 -0800
          Re: How massive can black holes get? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 18:28 -0500
  Re: How massive can black holes get? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 14:18 -0800
    Re: How massive can black holes get? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 16:49 -0600
      Re: How massive can black holes get? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 15:33 -0800
        Re: How massive can black holes get? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 18:00 -0600
          Re: How massive can black holes get? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 16:14 -0800
            Re: How massive can black holes get? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 18:21 -0600
              Re: How massive can black holes get? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 17:53 -0800
                Re: How massive can black holes get? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 20:34 -0600
                Re: How massive can black holes get? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 11:24 -0800
                Re: How massive can black holes get? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 13:40 -0600
                Re: How massive can black holes get? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-12-03 17:22 -0800
                Re: How massive can black holes get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-12-04 01:49 +0000
                Re: How massive can black holes get? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 14:54 -0800
                Re: How massive can black holes get? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 17:09 -0600
        Re: How massive can black holes get? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-01 23:13 -0500

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