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Re: bipolar aluminum caps

From krw <krw@nowhere.com>
Newsgroups sci.electronics.design
Subject Re: bipolar aluminum caps
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Date 2016-10-15 11:06 -0400

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On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 00:45:01 -0800, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> wrote:

>John Larkin wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 07:34:23 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, 13 October 2016 15:02:02 UTC+1, John Larkin  wrote:
>>>> High-K ceramic caps are awful. They lose 90% of their capacitance at
>>>> rated voltage.
>>>>
>>>> Are bipolar aluminum caps reliable?
>>>>
>>>> I would think that polymer aluminum caps would make good nonpolarized
>>>> things, but there don't seem to be any.
>>>
>>> Tants make good bipolars ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> NT
>>
>> For a while. There's engineering lore that dry tants are OK at -10% of
>> rated voltage, or something.
>>
>>
>   Yes; that is the "standard trick" of order-of-magnitude derating.
>   But even so, still having the possibility of fireworks.

When I was in IBM, we used tantalums by the millions (perhaps a
thousand per system).  The only problems we ran into were reverse
insertion but that could be spectacular and occur years later.  Our
design ground rules called for a voltage de-rating of 2-3 times (no
more), not much different that ceramics (though for different
reasons;-).  We didn't use aluminums.  These were 100K hour
applications.  

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bipolar aluminum caps John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-10-13 07:01 -0700
  Re: bipolar aluminum caps George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2016-10-13 07:11 -0700
    Re: bipolar aluminum caps Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2016-10-15 00:38 -0800
  Re: bipolar aluminum caps tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2016-10-13 07:34 -0700
    Re: bipolar aluminum caps Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2016-10-13 22:58 +0800
    Re: bipolar aluminum caps John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-10-13 08:44 -0700
      Re: bipolar aluminum caps tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2016-10-13 08:59 -0700
        Re: bipolar aluminum caps George Herold <gherold@teachspin.com> - 2016-10-13 09:14 -0700
          Re: bipolar aluminum caps "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2016-10-14 03:40 -0500
            Re: bipolar aluminum caps Syd Rumpo <usenet@nononono.co.uk> - 2016-10-14 09:52 +0100
              Re: bipolar aluminum caps "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2016-10-14 03:59 -0500
                Re: bipolar aluminum caps Syd Rumpo <usenet@nononono.co.uk> - 2016-10-14 11:01 +0100
                Re: bipolar aluminum caps "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2016-10-14 21:48 -0500
              Re: bipolar aluminum caps tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2016-10-14 02:18 -0700
      Re: bipolar aluminum caps Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2016-10-15 00:45 -0800
        Re: bipolar aluminum caps krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-15 11:06 -0400
          Re: bipolar aluminum caps tabbypurr@gmail.com - 2016-10-15 08:23 -0700
            Re: bipolar aluminum caps krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-15 19:39 -0400
        Re: bipolar aluminum caps Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2016-10-18 21:23 -0400
    Re: bipolar aluminum caps Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2016-10-15 00:42 -0800
      Re: bipolar aluminum caps krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-15 11:07 -0400
        Re: bipolar aluminum caps Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2016-10-17 09:28 -0800
          Re: bipolar aluminum caps krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-17 19:52 -0400
            Re: bipolar aluminum caps John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-10-17 17:29 -0700
            Re: bipolar aluminum caps Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2016-10-19 13:06 -0800
  Re: bipolar aluminum caps Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2016-10-13 09:14 -0700
  Re: bipolar aluminum caps Frank Miles <fpm@u.washington.edu> - 2016-10-13 17:15 +0000
    Re: bipolar aluminum caps John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-10-13 11:42 -0700
      Re: bipolar aluminum caps Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-10-13 14:52 -0400
        Re: bipolar aluminum caps John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-10-13 11:56 -0700
        Re: bipolar aluminum caps "David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au> - 2016-10-15 14:53 +1000
    Re: bipolar aluminum caps "David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au> - 2016-10-15 14:52 +1000
  Re: bipolar aluminum caps Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> - 2016-10-13 19:41 -0500
    Re: bipolar aluminum caps "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2016-10-14 03:43 -0500
      Re: bipolar aluminum caps Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> - 2016-10-14 12:19 -0500
        Re: bipolar aluminum caps "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2016-10-14 22:18 -0500
  Re: bipolar aluminum caps krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-13 20:57 -0400
    Re: bipolar aluminum caps John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> - 2016-10-13 18:05 -0700
      Re: bipolar aluminum caps krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-10-13 21:39 -0400
        Re: bipolar aluminum caps "Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> - 2016-10-14 03:44 -0500
          Re: bipolar aluminum caps whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 12:22 -0700
  Re: bipolar aluminum caps whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 18:01 -0700
  Re: bipolar aluminum caps alpibucky <alpibucky@mail.be> - 2016-10-14 22:23 +0200
  Re: bipolar aluminum caps Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2016-10-15 00:35 -0800
    Re: bipolar aluminum caps Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2016-10-18 21:22 -0400

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