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Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning?

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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>On 2015-12-08, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:

>> I think the old methods had merit until modern refrigerants came 
>> along.  Before Freon, I think they had to use noxious chemicals 
>> (ammonia?) in machine refrigeration.

>Ironically, Freon is now considered a noxious chemical as well.

It's noxious if you feed it into the air intake of an intenal
combustion engine. Produces phosgene gas at the exhaust.

But that's not why it was banned. It was banned due to people
jumping to conclusions; before knowing enough to be rational.

Halon was killed for the same reason.

Ammonia is back in style. Horrible stuff. 

It never went out of style in industrial plant. Did some vacation
work experience in a brewery where they pumped tons of the stuff
around the vats to keep them "cool". They opened up one of the
compressors for maintenance while I was there; which, even after
pumping down with a vac. pump; liberated enough ammonia into the
20,000 cubic metres of machine room to have me flee through the door
to the corridor. The maintenance guy had breathing apparatus.

The plant engineer informed me that they'd screwed up during
construction and used brass fittings on some of the plumbing around
the brewery. Fortunately, somebody spotted the problem before an
unexpected incident (ammonia loves copper and copper-based alloys).
Unfortunately, they weren't quite fast enough to replace all the
fittings; the last brass nuts on a flange plate which were being
replace gave way and they dropped tons of ammonia into the corridor
below the pipes. The chrome-plated door bars showed the "high-water"
mark at about waist height.

The chrome-plating process entails first plating teh steel with
copper, the nickel and finally chrome.

Chrome is, btw, now on the list of substances to be banned.
They've got a whole periodic table to get through.
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History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-04 19:44 -0800
  Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-04 22:19 -0800
  Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-12-05 13:27 -0600
  Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? jhhaynes@earthlink.net - 2015-12-07 13:41 -0800
    Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-07 17:58 -0800
      Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-07 21:31 -0600
        Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-07 23:27 -0600
          Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-07 22:12 -0800
            Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-08 07:24 -0600
              Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-08 14:01 +0000
            Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-08 20:21 +0000
              Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-08 12:40 -0800
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-08 15:31 -0600
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-09 01:04 +0000
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-08 21:23 -0600
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2015-12-08 22:40 -0400
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-09 00:46 -0600
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-12-09 07:04 +0000
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-09 09:15 +0000
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-09 18:27 +0000
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? "Ranger" <r5432@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 15:39 +1100
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              Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2015-12-09 23:47 +0800
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-09 17:20 +0000
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Michael LeVine <mlevinespmfltr@redshift.com> - 2015-12-09 10:14 -0800
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-09 10:21 -0800
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-09 18:47 +0000
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-09 21:33 +0100
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-11 16:56 -0600
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-09 18:27 +0000
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-09 20:47 +0000
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-09 17:01 -0600
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-10 10:48 +0000
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2015-12-10 10:52 +0800
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                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-12-10 10:02 -0800
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-10 10:17 -0800
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-09 13:10 -0800
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2015-12-10 11:22 +0800
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-10 10:53 +0000
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 17:54 -0600
                Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-09 17:17 -0600
          Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-08 10:03 -0600
            Re: History--did relay logic (e.g. crossbar switch) need air conditioning? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-08 20:21 +0000
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