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Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows

From Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows
Date 2015-10-26 10:20 +0000
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On 26/10/15 09:46, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On Sunday, October 25, 2015 at 8:11:12 PM UTC, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>
>> What is a "free version that could later upgraded" [sic] if not a free C
>> compiler? Do you think that a free version that could later be upgraded
>> is not free?
>>
> The question is how usable the crippleware offer is.

I don't believe it was, you know. I believe the intent of the question 
was to determine whether Microsoft offer a free C version of the Clang 
compiler. Here is my evidence for that belief:

Cal wrote:
> On 10/23/2015 5:56 PM, Ian Collins wrote:
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/21/microsoft_promises_clang_for_windows_in_november_visual_c_update/
>>
>>
>> "Developers will also welcome Clang because of its better standards
>> compliance compared with Visual C++, for C as well as C++. Microsoft
>> Engineering Manager Steve Carroll (from the front-end team), who also
>> spoke at CPPCon, explained that while Microsoft’s support of the C99 and
>> C11 standards is already much improved, Clang/C2 will complete it."
>>
>
> Is there a (free) C version now for windows 7, so that there can be something to upgrade from?

I deduce from the above that Cal is asking about a free C version of 
Microsoft's compiler for Windows 7. The answer to that question is "kind 
of". See http://www.thefreecountry.com/compilers/cpp.shtml for details. 
The Community version of Visual Studio is free for individuals to use, 
and this includes the development of programs for sale. See 
https://www.visualstudio.com/support/legal/dn877550 for details. Large 
organisations ("enterprises") are, however, expected to cough up.

> MSVC express comes without a decent resource compiler.

He was asking about a C compiler, not a resource compiler.

<snip>

> However if you don't have the knowledge about how to get round the sabotage, a
> compiler that can't import resources at all isn't any good for anything much.

The "Community" version of Visual Studio would appear to meet his needs. 
It can certainly act as a C compiler (although, like many C compiler 
vendors, it looks like Microsoft haven't bothered to keep pace with ISO 
in all respects), and it even appears to be capable of facilitating the 
creation of Windows programs, which suggests that it can handle resource 
editing.

As you know full well, Malcolm, I have no axe to grind here. I am 
probably one of Microsoft's less enthusiastic supporters (in the sense 
that if they were to go bankrupt tomorrow, I would be throwing a wild 
party by tomorrow evening at the latest). I am not promoting their 
product, just pointing out its existence as an answer to the OP's 
question. I haven't even used the "Community" product, and have no idea 
whether it's a peach or a lemon. But it does exist, and it does appear 
to meet the requirements he has given.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
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Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-24 13:56 +1300
  Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Cal Dershowitz <Cal@example.invalid> - 2015-10-23 21:02 -0700
    Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-10-24 17:43 +0200
      Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-24 13:08 -0700
        Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-10-25 09:23 +0100
          Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-25 08:31 +0000
            Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-10-25 12:13 +0100
              Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-25 13:23 +0000
              Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-25 13:52 -0500
          Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-25 11:08 -0400
          Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-25 12:14 -0700
            Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-25 19:35 +0000
              Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-25 20:10 +0000
                Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2015-10-25 16:29 -0400
                Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-25 20:51 +0000
                Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2015-10-25 20:55 +0000
                Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-25 20:59 +0000
                Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2015-10-25 17:24 -0400
                Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-25 21:53 +0000
                Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2015-10-25 18:02 -0400
                Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-25 22:11 +0000
                Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-26 03:01 -0700
                Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-26 10:21 +0000
                Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-26 03:31 -0700
                Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-25 20:31 +0000
                Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-25 13:44 -0700
                Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-25 20:58 +0000
                Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-25 17:09 -0400
                Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-26 10:44 +1300
                Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-25 13:32 -0700
                Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-26 02:46 -0700
                Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-26 10:20 +0000
    Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-20 10:41 +0000
      Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-20 11:14 +0000
        Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 03:31 -0800
          Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-20 12:13 +0000
          Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-11-20 14:28 +0000
            Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-20 14:47 +0000
            Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 07:13 -0800
    Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Tim Prince <tprince@computer.org> - 2015-11-20 07:54 -0500
      Re: Slightly OT but interesting for those who want modern C on windows Tim Prince <tprince@computer.org> - 2015-11-20 09:35 -0500

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