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Re: Pointers as error values

From James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Pointers as error values
Date 2015-10-19 11:53 -0400
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On 10/19/2015 11:02 AM, gwowen wrote:
> On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 8:54:26 AM UTC+1, Morten W. Petersen wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I was thinking the other day, that NULL pointers indicate an error.  That got me
>> wondering, is it possible to use a low number range as valid error indicators?
>>
>> That is, could for example numbers from 1 to 7 be safely used as error indicators
>> from a function that should return a pointer?
> 
> In general, no. I'm sure Keith will quote you the exact sentence that disallows it.

I haven't seen a response from Keith yet, so I'll handle it.

The key problem is that numbers from 1 to 7 are not pointer values. They
can be converted to pointer values, for example by using (void*)7.
However, here's what the standard says about such conversions:

"Except as previously specified," (and none of the previous
specifications that it's referring to apply in this case) "the result is
implementation-defined, might not be correctly aligned, might not point
to an entity of the referenced type, and might be a trap
representation." (6.3.2.3p5)

First point: "implementation-defined". That allows, among other
possibilities, that (void*)1 and (void*)7 might produce the same result.
In particular, they might be null pointers.

"not .. correctly aligned" is not a problem, as long as you're
converting to void* or a pointer to a character type, which are not
allowed to have alignment restrictions. If you're using T*, where
_Alignof(T) > 1, then incorrect alignment is a possibility, leading to
undefined behavior.

Second point: "might not point to an entity of the referenced type". The
results of comparing pointers for equality are defined for null pointers
(which only compare equal to other null pointers); for all other
pointers, whether or not two pointers compare equal depends upon whether
they point at the same thing. (6.5.9p6) Because there's no guarantee
that they point at any object, an implementation would be within it's
rights to implement pointer equality comparisons in a way that causes
(void*)1 to compare unequal to itself.

Third point: "a trap representation" means that it might not be a valid
pointer. Attempting to write such a pointer value to a pointer object
has undefined behavior, as does attempting to read such a value from a
pointer object. (6.2.5p5)

Fourth point: you could avoid some of the above problems if you could
convert the pointer back to the original integer value before performing
such comparisons. However, here is everything that the standard says
about such a conversion: "Except as previously specified," (and once
again, none of the previous specifications is applicable in this case)
"the result is implementation-defined. If the result cannot be
represented in the integer type, the behavior is undefined. The result
need not be in the range of values of any integer type."  (6.3.2.3p6)

Note, in particular, that (int)(void*)7 is not guaranteed to be 7. The
typedefs [u]intptr_t are optional, but if they are supported by an
implementation, and if p is a pointer to void, then it is guaranteed
that (void*)(uintptr_t)p == p (7.20.1.4). However, there's no pointer
type for which the inverse operation is guaranteed to be reversible.

What you can do is define a fixed set of objects, one corresponding to
each error code, and return the address of the corresponding object to
indicate that the corresponding error has occurred. As long as you're
defining the objects, it might make sense to store some useful
information in them.
-- 
James Kuyper

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Pointers as error values "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 00:53 -0700
  Re: Pointers as error values gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-10-19 08:26 +0000
    Re: Pointers as error values "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 02:27 -0700
    Re: Pointers as error values Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-10-19 23:38 -0400
  Re: Pointers as error values jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-10-19 10:34 +0200
    Re: Pointers as error values "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 02:29 -0700
    Re: Pointers as error values mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2015-10-19 05:53 -0700
  Re: Pointers as error values glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-19 10:00 +0000
  Re: Pointers as error values Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-10-19 14:00 +0000
  Re: Pointers as error values gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 08:02 -0700
    Re: Pointers as error values James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 11:53 -0400
  Re: Pointers as error values Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2015-10-19 11:25 -0400
  Re: Pointers as error values supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-19 08:41 -0700
  Re: Pointers as error values Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-19 08:59 -0700
    Re: Pointers as error values "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 07:32 +0200
      Re: Pointers as error values Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-21 19:17 +1300
        Re: Pointers as error values "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 08:31 +0200
      Re: Pointers as error values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-21 12:46 +0100
      Re: Pointers as error values Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-21 09:35 -0500
        Re: Pointers as error values Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2015-10-21 15:24 -0400
          Re: Pointers as error values glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-22 05:44 +0000
      Re: Pointers as error values Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-21 10:41 -0700
        Re: Pointers as error values supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-21 11:28 -0700
      Re: Pointers as error values John Temples <usenet@xargs-spam.com> - 2015-10-21 17:45 +0000
        Re: Pointers as error values James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-21 14:15 -0400
          Re: Pointers as error values "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 16:59 +0100
            Re: Pointers as error values supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-29 12:35 -0700
              Re: Pointers as error values raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-10-29 21:45 +0000
                Re: Pointers as error values "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 06:09 +0100
                Re: Pointers as error values Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-30 08:59 +0100
                Re: Pointers as error values Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-30 09:07 +0100
                Re: Pointers as error values Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-30 09:38 +0100
                Re: Pointers as error values Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-30 09:40 +0100
                Re: Pointers as error values Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-30 04:56 -0500
                Re: Pointers as error values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-30 11:00 +0000
            Re: Pointers as error values Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-29 23:48 -0500
              Re: Pointers as error values "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 11:05 +0100
                Re: Pointers as error values Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-10-30 07:45 -0400
                Re: Pointers as error values Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-30 05:04 -0700
                Re: Pointers as error values "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 16:09 +0100
                Re: Pointers as error values Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-30 11:16 -0700
                Re: Pointers as error values glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-30 20:58 +0000
                Re: Pointers as error values Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2015-10-30 17:12 -0400
                Re: Pointers as error values supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-30 14:54 -0700
                Re: Pointers as error values Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-30 18:48 -0500
                Re: Pointers as error values glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-11-01 04:00 +0000
                Re: Pointers as error values Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-01 01:24 -0500
                Re: Pointers as error values "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 20:35 +0100
                Re: Pointers as error values supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-31 13:33 -0700
                Re: Pointers as error values Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-10-30 22:19 -0400
                Re: Pointers as error values supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-30 08:22 -0700
                Re: Pointers as error values Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-30 13:11 -0700
                Re: Pointers as error values Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-30 13:23 -0700
      Re: Pointers as error values Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-21 11:13 -0700
        Re: Pointers as error values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-21 20:31 +0100
          Re: Pointers as error values Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-22 07:13 -0700
        Re: Pointers as error values "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 07:16 +0100
          Re: Pointers as error values Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-10-26 09:37 +0000
      Re: Pointers as error values glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-22 05:38 +0000
        Re: Pointers as error values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-22 13:51 +0100
        Re: Pointers as error values Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-22 08:29 -0700
          Re: Pointers as error values supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-22 09:21 -0700
            Re: Pointers as error values Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-22 10:52 -0700
              Re: Pointers as error values "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 07:20 +0100
                Re: Pointers as error values Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-26 08:09 -0700
                Re: Pointers as error values supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-26 08:40 -0700
                Re: Pointers as error values glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-26 20:02 +0000
                Re: Pointers as error values supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-26 13:56 -0700
          Re: Pointers as error values glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-22 21:58 +0000
            Re: Pointers as error values James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-22 19:12 -0400
            Re: Pointers as error values asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-10-22 18:36 -0700
              Re: Pointers as error values asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-10-29 12:47 -0700
  Re: Pointers as error values Lőrinczy Zsigmond <nospam@for.me> - 2015-10-20 17:06 +0200
    Re: Pointers as error values Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-20 19:45 +0100
      Re: Pointers as error values supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-20 14:19 -0700
        Re: Pointers as error values glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-21 05:28 +0000
          Re: Pointers as error values supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-21 05:48 -0700
            Re: Pointers as error values glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-22 05:52 +0000
          Re: Pointers as error values Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2015-10-21 15:19 -0400
            Re: Pointers as error values glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-22 06:06 +0000

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