Re: Operating Systems in Teaching

From	Bartc <bc@freeuk.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: Operating Systems in Teaching
Date	2015-10-10 22:04 +0100
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 10/10/2015 20:12, Stefan Ram wrote:

>    Maybe C books should teach C using a specific operating
>    system right from the start.

What operating system aspects did you have in mind?

> A widespread operating system
>    is Microsoft Windows. Maybe C should be taught showing how
>    to do Windows system calls right from the start?

Most stuff in <windows.h> I think is too complex and too MS-centric for 
use in a programming course (it would probably dominate it).

Maybe if there was a simple library layered onto the OS, then that same 
API could be implemented on a few OSes. For files, there is already C's 
runtime library which does that job.

What's missing is, for example, a simple library for graphics (well, 
there are probably dozens to choose from, but none are what I'd call 
simple).

> When explaining
>    via the docs which header file has to be included, it will
>    still be visible whether a name used belongs to the C standard
>    library or to the Win32 library. So learners should not confound
>    this.

Perhaps the process of finding, downloading, installing, building and 
using a third party library can be a subject in itself!

-- 
Bartc

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Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2015-10-10 10:28 -0700
  Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Stephen Fisher <sfisher@panix.com> - 2015-10-10 18:53 +0000
    Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-10 22:23 +0200
      Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-10 23:13 +0200
    Re: Operating Systems in Teaching Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-10 22:04 +0100
      Re: Operating Systems in Teaching Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-10 14:12 -0700
        Re: Operating Systems in Teaching Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-10 22:30 +0100
      Re: Operating Systems in Teaching Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2015-10-10 18:25 -0400
      Re: Operating Systems in Teaching Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-11 15:02 +0100
        Re: Operating Systems in Teaching Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-11 16:39 +0100
        Re: Operating Systems in Teaching Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-10-11 17:50 +0200
        Re: Operating Systems in Teaching "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-11 11:29 -0500
          Re: Operating Systems in Teaching "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-11 11:48 -0500
          Re: Operating Systems in Teaching Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-11 18:18 +0100
            Re: Operating Systems in Teaching "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-11 12:46 -0500
              Re: Operating Systems in Teaching Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-10-11 13:57 -0400
  Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-11 10:21 +1300
    Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-10 14:55 -0700
      Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-11 00:35 +0200
      Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-11 00:01 +0100
        Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-10 16:21 -0700
          Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-11 01:24 +0100
            Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-10 17:56 -0700
              Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-11 03:17 +0200
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a   for loop Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-11 14:43 +1300
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-11 00:19 -0700
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-11 11:02 +0100
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-11 03:47 -0700
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-11 16:05 +0100
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-11 17:38 +0200
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-11 18:49 +0200
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-11 12:37 -0700
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-11 21:56 +0200
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-11 13:34 -0700
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-12 10:11 +0200
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-11 12:59 -0700
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-11 19:15 +0200
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-11 12:48 +0200
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-11 03:59 -0700
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-11 13:30 +0200
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-11 14:19 +0200
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-11 14:48 +0200
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-11 12:20 -0700
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-11 13:49 +0200
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-11 13:55 +0200
          Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-11 02:40 +0200
      Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-11 14:40 +1300
  Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-10 22:29 +0100
    Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-11 00:22 +0200
      Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-11 00:57 +0200
      Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-11 00:46 +0100
        Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-11 02:23 +0200
          Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-11 01:28 +0100
            Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-11 04:21 +0200
              Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-11 04:32 +0200
              Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-11 11:06 +0100
          Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-11 02:55 +0200
          Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-15 10:36 -0700
            Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-15 14:37 -0700
    Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-10-11 10:15 +0000
      Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-12 10:37 +0200
        Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-12 11:08 +0200
          Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-14 16:27 +0200
            Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Tonton Th <tTh@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-10-14 14:28 +0000
            Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-14 16:36 +0200
              Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-14 16:40 +0200
              Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-14 16:49 +0200
      Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-15 14:09 -0700
        Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-16 12:49 +0200
          Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-19 14:28 -0700
            Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-20 02:03 +0200
              Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a   for loop Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-20 13:13 +1300
              Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-19 20:07 -0700
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-20 14:30 +0200
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-20 15:08 +0200
              Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-24 12:18 -0700
            Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-20 03:03 +0200
              Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-24 12:21 -0700
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-25 15:16 +0100
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-27 22:29 -0700
  Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-10-11 10:26 +0000
    Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-11 14:09 -0700
      Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-10-14 11:36 +0000
        Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-14 10:23 -0700
          Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-10-20 16:06 +0000
    Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-12 00:19 +0200
      Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-11 17:53 -0700
        Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-12 04:15 +0200
  Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2015-10-13 08:44 -0700
    Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-14 07:27 +0200
      Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-14 08:53 +0200
        Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-14 11:13 +0100
          Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-14 12:35 +0200
          Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-14 13:08 +0100
            Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-14 18:11 +0200
    Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-16 04:58 -0700
      Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-16 15:07 +0200
        Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-16 23:50 +0200
          Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-17 00:06 +0200
            Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-16 15:30 -0700
        Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-19 13:45 -0700
          Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-20 02:40 +0200
            Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-24 12:47 -0700
              Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-25 15:36 +0100
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-27 22:37 -0700
              Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-25 15:52 +0100
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-25 19:10 +0100
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-25 19:17 +0100
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-27 23:05 -0700
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-28 03:59 -0700
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-29 14:04 +0100
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-29 01:07 +0100
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-30 08:31 -0700
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-27 22:48 -0700
          Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-10-20 08:55 +0000
            Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop regis <regis.barbanchon@free.fr> - 2015-10-20 13:52 +0200
            Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-24 14:04 -0700
              Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-10-25 06:44 +0000
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-10-25 09:09 +0000
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-10-25 10:12 +0000
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-10-25 03:26 -0700
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-25 06:38 -0700
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-25 15:23 +0000
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-25 10:54 -0700
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-25 12:21 -0700
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-25 14:16 -0700
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-25 14:52 -0700
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-26 00:58 +0000
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-26 11:50 +0000
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 15:17 +0000
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-11-10 19:27 -0600
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-11-11 07:39 +0000
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-11-11 08:22 -0600
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-11 00:37 -0600
                Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-28 08:52 -0700
  Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2015-10-18 12:31 -0700
    Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-10-18 15:28 -0700
      Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-19 11:40 +1300
        Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-10-18 20:41 -0700
        Re: Program to count words, issues with an if condition within a for loop asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-10-18 20:44 -0700

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