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Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages

From David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages
Date 2015-09-14 00:10 +0200
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On 13/09/15 23:33, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> "Ian Collins"  wrote in message news:d5m8afF884kU3@mid.individual.net...
>
>>  Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> > > "Ian Collins"  wrote in message > >
>> news:d5m6rrF884kU2@mid.individual.net...
> [...]
>> > Can that factor into any of your numbers?
>
>> "deaths per 100000"
>
> DOH! Perhaps the people of the UK are just not as violent?

That is very much the case - it seems that Americans are significantly 
more violent than other western countries.  However, there is also the 
statistic that the UK has far fewer guns than most western countries.

Looking at some numbers (from Wikipedia):

USA has 88.8 guns per 100 residents, the UK has 6.6.
USA has 10.64 deaths per 100K, the UK has 0.26.

Of those, in the USA 3.55 are homicides, 6.70 are suicides, 0.16 are 
accidental and 0.09 are undetermined.  For the UK, those numbers are 
0.05, 0.17, 0.01, 0.02.

For comparison with another country with a lot of guns, Sweden has 31.6 
guns per 100 residents.  It's gun deaths totals are 1.47, with 0.19 
homicides, 1.20 suicides, 0.06 accidents, and 0.01 undetermined.

To make the numbers relevant, however, we should also look at the 
homicide rates for these countries.  For the USA, it is 4.7, for the UK 
it is 1.0, and Sweden it is 0.7.


This tells us that, as the NRA likes to say, guns don't kill people - 
people kill people.  But it also tells us that guns make it far easier 
for Americans to kill each other and themselves.

One key point that these sorts of statistics rarely consider is the 
/type/ of gun.  In the UK, a fair proportion of the firearms are 
farmer's shotguns and hunting rifles - these are almost never used in 
crimes.  In Sweden, almost all firearms are hunting rifles, farmers 
shotguns, and civil defence firearms - again, almost never used in 
crimes.  What makes the USA stand out is the vast numbers of pistols and 
small handguns - and that is what Americans use to shot each other and 
themselves, intentionally or unintentionally.

All the statistics - as well as common sense - make it very clear that 
massive small handgun ownership in the populace means a lot more killings.

(Note that I don't think there is a good clear way to move from the 
USA's current position to one with less guns around.)

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