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Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN

From Karolina Vandeweghe <newisa@kerseyhouse.au>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN
Date 2015-08-21 17:19 +0000
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Tom Roberts wrote:

> On 8/19/15 8/19/15 - 3:03 PM, Karolina Vandeweghe wrote:
>> [about Doppler shift]
>> And still. More or less arrival of crests over an unit of time, say
>> second, would imply on of two things. Either the entire light
>> approaches faster/slower, or the wavelength of the same light is
>> altered to the larger/smaller.
>>
>> According to the filter, the later is the case and happens. In which
>> case you have to explain how that light knows ANYTHING about the
>> Observer (or any other Observers) in order to change its own WaveLength
>> accordingly.
> 
> But it it NOT the light "changing its own wavelength". Rather, it is
> different observers using DIFFERENT instruments to measure the
> wavelength. For differently moving observers, the instruments are
> oriented differently in spacetime, and thus obtain different results
> when measuring the wavelength of a given light ray.

I am very happy with that. But you are not suggesting that the Observers 
are changing the already emitted light?

Let's see the emitted light like a well defined entity (speed, wavelength, 
amplitude/strength etc). I am stating that an Observer cannot alter an 
already emitted light under any circumstances. The detection is done 
directly on light, destructive or non-destructive.

> 	They also make different measurements of everything else, which is
> 	summarized by the phrases "time dilation" and "length contraction".

Yes, sure. Let's just talk about the speed of light only for now.

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EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-17 06:28 -0700
  Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-17 18:21 -0700
    Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Jason Burchett <jasb@h3ipotal.org> - 2015-08-19 15:12 +0000
    Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN alsor@interia.pl - 2015-08-21 08:27 -0700
  Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 00:50 -0700
    Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 05:34 -0700
      Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 06:20 -0700
        Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 20:07 -0700
        Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-19 01:16 -0700
          Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-19 05:39 -0700
          Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-22 18:48 -0700
      Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Karolina Vandeweghe <newisa@kerseyhouse.au> - 2015-08-19 20:03 +0000
        Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-21 09:34 -0500
          Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-21 08:15 -0700
            Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-21 12:10 -0500
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-21 10:28 -0700
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Karolina Vandeweghe <newisa@kerseyhouse.au> - 2015-08-21 17:31 +0000
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-21 15:47 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Karolina Vandeweghe <newisa@kerseyhouse.au> - 2015-08-22 09:10 +0000
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-21 19:35 +0200
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-21 11:44 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-21 20:59 +0200
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-21 13:12 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-21 22:24 +0200
          Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-21 17:56 +0200
          Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Karolina Vandeweghe <newisa@kerseyhouse.au> - 2015-08-21 17:19 +0000
            Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-21 21:03 -0500
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Karolina Vandeweghe <newisa@kerseyhouse.au> - 2015-08-22 09:05 +0000
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-22 20:09 +0200
          Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-21 21:21 -0700
          Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-22 07:13 -0700
            Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Karolina Vandeweghe <newisa@kerseyhouse.au> - 2015-08-22 15:58 +0000
            Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-22 11:05 -0500
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Karolina Vandeweghe <newisa@kerseyhouse.au> - 2015-08-22 16:19 +0000
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-22 17:09 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN James Birdy <jamesb@barefootwalking.org> - 2015-08-22 22:24 +0000
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-23 08:35 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-23 15:45 +0200
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-23 08:59 +0200
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-22 20:19 +0200
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-23 15:39 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 10:30 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-24 10:47 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 13:23 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-25 05:19 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-25 08:45 -0400
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 08:18 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-25 06:58 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 09:05 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-25 12:09 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 14:50 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-25 15:58 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 06:58 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-26 09:28 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 11:37 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-26 17:57 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 07:58 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-27 07:08 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-27 07:28 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-27 08:09 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:36 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:40 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-28 09:02 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:55 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-28 17:24 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:10 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-28 17:12 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 08:18 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-31 08:48 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 11:09 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-31 15:08 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 17:36 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-31 20:24 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 08:23 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-09-01 07:26 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 09:47 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-09-01 10:07 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 12:10 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-09-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 14:58 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-09-01 14:57 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 17:48 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-26 13:40 -0400
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-24 10:35 -0700

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