Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better!

From	Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better!
Date	2015-08-18 01:00 +0200
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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Roelf Toxopeus wrote:

> On 17/08/15 19:42, Bernd Paysan wrote:
>> Roelf Toxopeus wrote:
>>> I recall you were interested in an OpenCL interface?
>>
>> I'm now more interested in Vulkan's variant of OpenCL, where you can
>> create
>> the intermediate virtual machine code (SPIR-V) directly.  This would be
>> fun - the host has the compiler, you use a tiny "sort-of umilical" Forth
>> to compile GPU compute cores - not really umbilical, but you can
>> incrementally change your code, and recompile the virtual machine code
>> each time you updated it.
>>
>> SPIR-V can be used both for shaders and for compute cores.
> 
> That sounds quite interesting and very useful. The "sort of umbilical"
> Forth was something I imagined for the OpenCL interface.

Yes, but it's quite likely working better if you don't have to produce 
something with valid OpenCL syntax as intermediate.

> It seems on my platform they choose to go Metal rather than Vulcan.

Tough luck.  Microsoft wants DirectX 12, but at least they don't control the 
drivers from AMD, NVidia and Intel, so you'll still get Vulkan.  Linux and 
Android are openly embracing it anyhow, but Apple with their control freak 
mentality want to be different.

However, Vulkan's unique strength is actually SPIR-V...

http://streamcomputing.eu/blog/2015-05-21/8-reasons-why-spir-v-makes-a-big-difference/

Given that Apple is part of the Khronos group, and did benefit from having 
OpenGL, and that their market share is between 10 and 20% depending on 
platform (mobile phones 20%, desktops around 10%), they don't have the power 
for "my way or no way".

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Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! "Ilya V. Vasilyev" <arvi1973@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 19:22 -0700
  Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-15 20:42 -0700
    Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! "Ilya V. Vasilyev" <arvi1973@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 02:13 -0700
      Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-18 12:09 -0700
        Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 15:33 -0700
          Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 16:18 -0700
            Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-19 08:22 +0000
        Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-19 03:38 -0400
        Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! "Ilya V. Vasilyev" <arvi1973@gmail.com> - 2015-09-19 17:21 -0700
          Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-19 21:07 -0700
  Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-16 06:52 +0000
  Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2015-08-16 14:19 +0200
    Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 05:52 -0700
      Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-16 14:42 -0700
        Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! dylan.mcnamee@gmail.com - 2015-09-21 12:02 -0700
          Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-09-22 00:34 +0200
      Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-26 19:18 +0000
    Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-16 12:08 -0700
      Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 15:17 -0400
  Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-16 13:47 +0000
    Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-16 07:54 -0700
      Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-16 15:04 +0000
        Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-16 23:56 +0200
          Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-08-17 05:57 -0500
            Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-08-17 13:52 +0200
              Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 05:00 -0700
            Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-17 12:03 +0000
              Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 05:29 -0700
                Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-18 09:10 +0000
          Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2015-08-17 14:50 +0200
            Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-17 19:42 +0200
              Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2015-08-17 23:16 +0200
                Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-18 01:00 +0200
                Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-18 01:17 +0200
                Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2015-08-18 10:12 +0200
              Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Александр Стадниченко <stadnichenko.a.s@gmail.com> - 2015-09-26 08:12 -0700
              Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Александр Стадниченко <stadnichenko.a.s@gmail.com> - 2015-09-26 08:35 -0700
                Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-09-26 21:23 +0200
                Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Александр Стадниченко <stadnichenko.a.s@gmail.com> - 2015-09-27 09:55 -0700
                Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Александр Стадниченко <stadnichenko.a.s@gmail.com> - 2015-09-27 10:00 -0700
    Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! mhx@iae.nl - 2015-08-16 08:37 -0700
  Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-17 18:28 -0700
    Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-17 20:17 -0700
      Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 00:49 -0400
        Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-17 23:00 -0700
          Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-18 06:25 +0000
            Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-18 08:39 -0700
              Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 12:09 -0400
  Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:31 -0700
    Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! "Ilya V. Vasilyev" <arvi1973@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 17:47 -0700
      Re: Forth without integer data stack. It is even better! hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-12 18:06 -0700

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