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On 8/14/2015 9:04 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 15:46:52 -0500, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
>>
>> and unlicensed medical quacks (medical piracy, if you like) are
>> rampant and growing, and is making a mockery of the antiquated licensure
>> establishments of our civilization.
>>
>
> That's another analogy that does not fit.
>
> The tradition of professional licensure is intended to protect the
> public from incompetence.

Exactly!

>
> But in an age of free information, even that is coming under attack.

Well, in that case, we don't have anything to worry about from the 
quacks, do we? After all, the information is free!

>
> Physicians, like other professional groups, are a continuation of the
> ancient guild system of protectionism.  The guilds controlled admittance
> to a particular practice and they controlled the knowledge, or information,
> used by that practice.  This situation still exists today as doctors,
> lawyers, engineers, and other professionals are all controlled and circumscribed
> through licensure, certification, chartering, etc. and through their own
> organized exclusions.

Yup. That is exactly what it is for. It is establishing that certain 
professions are reserved for those with proven expertise, and the guild 
system is the certification process for expertise and protection from 
incompetence.

>
> But, in an age of free and uninhibited information, the general public are
> no longer the ignorant dim-wits they were made to be through centuries
> of feudalism and Christian-inspired social repression.  Licensure is no
> longer an essential requirement in protecting the populace.
>
> I have access to the same quality of information as any physician or engineer
> and, as a result, I am no longer quite as dependent on the services
> of professionals.

Then you are just as able to provide medical treatment to your family in 
the event of acute appendicitis or guillain-barré syndrome. First step, 
those YouTube videos on anesthesiology! Blood chemistry tests right 
after that! Do-it-yourselfers, you have nothing to lose but your lives!

>
> Legally, however, it is a different matter.  I still cannot "prescribe"
> drugs for myself, although some states within the USA have made available
> to the public certain drugs, such as antibiotics, that were formerly
> subject to control.  In the future, we  should see more of this kind
> of regulatory relaxation.
>
> Nurse practitioners, which are health care professionals that only hold
> a  baccalaureate degree, are now also beginning to assume some of the
> routine and "simple" functions that were formerly done only by fully
> licensed physicians.  Nurse practitioners are now allowed to treat minor
> illnesses and prescribe a limited range of drugs.  i see no reason why
> any educated person should be excluded from performing these same functions.

I don't believe educated people are excluded from providing those 
"simple functions".

>
> You forget that that the rigid social strata of the past was only recently
> eliminated, and then only in a formal sense.  The spirit of aristocrats and
> privileged classes still lingers and informs the attitudes and opinions
> of many today.
>

Expertise is not to be equated with aristocracy or privileged classes.

If you are for the forsaking of the recognition of expertise in general, 
and declaring that expertise is obtainable by anyone in any area in a 
short time, then by golly you go for it. Demonstrate your life 
principles by architecting a multistory multi-family dwelling, being 
able to perform a root canal, engineering an MRI facility, and 
developing a new drug for treatment of psoriasis, all in the next year. 
That's only four projects, and heck, you know that the guilds of 
expertise are nothing but artificial barriers meant to exclude the 
common man from his independence!


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 09:06 -0500
  Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 09:16 -0500
  Re: Accessing books and articles Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 07:23 -0700
    Re: Accessing books and articles "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-17 20:10 +0200
  Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 16:33 +0200
    Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 10:06 -0500
      Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 17:14 +0200
      Re: Accessing books and articles HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 11:26 -0400
  Re: Accessing books and articles gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-14 13:41 -0500
  Re: Accessing books and articles benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:01 -0400
    Re: Accessing books and articles John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 17:25 -0700
    Re: Accessing books and articles HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 08:06 -0400
  Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 19:13 +0000
    Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-14 15:43 -0400
      Re: Accessing books and articles Eteocles Panagakos <eteoclespd@prospernetwork.org> - 2015-08-14 19:51 +0000
        Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:22 -0500
          Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 20:39 +0000
            Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 16:09 -0500
              Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 21:14 +0000
                Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 16:33 -0500
        Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 10:43 +0200
      Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:00 -0500
        Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 20:30 +0000
          Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:46 -0500
            Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-15 02:04 +0000
              Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 21:37 -0500
              Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-14 22:40 -0400
                Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-15 03:15 +0000
                Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-14 23:57 -0400
                Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 12:13 +0200
                Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-15 10:38 -0400
                Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 16:59 +0200
                Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 12:05 +0200
                Re: Accessing books and articles John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-15 17:49 -0700
              Re: Accessing books and articles John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 20:05 -0700
              Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 11:51 +0200
          Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-14 18:38 -0400
            Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:11 -0500
      Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 20:05 +0000
        Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:10 -0500
    Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 14:51 -0500
      Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:07 -0500
      Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 20:19 +0000
        Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:37 -0500
          Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 12:34 +0200
      Re: Accessing books and articles Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-17 01:05 +0200
    Re: Accessing books and articles Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:56 -0500
      Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-15 00:53 +0000
        Re: Accessing books and articles John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 18:43 -0700
      Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 12:41 +0200
      Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 03:08 -0400
        Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! noel <deletethis@invalin.lan> - 2015-08-18 08:40 +1000
          Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 19:25 -0400
          Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-08-18 08:48 -0400
            Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! noel <deletethis@invalin.lan> - 2015-08-19 10:04 +1000
              Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-08-19 12:54 -0400
    Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 10:39 +0200
  Re: Accessing books and articles Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 08:20 -0700
    Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 18:19 +0200
      Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-15 12:37 -0400
        Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 18:45 +0200
  Re: Accessing books and articles Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-16 12:04 +0200
    Re: Accessing books and articles Eteocles Panagakos <eteoclespd@prospernetwork.org> - 2015-08-16 11:44 +0000
      Re: Accessing books and articles Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-16 15:30 +0200
  Re: Accessing books and articles "T.M. Sommers" <tmsommers2@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 11:07 -0400
    Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 17:53 +0200
    Re: Accessing books and articles Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-17 00:44 +0200
  Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-16 18:27 +0000

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