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Re: Accessing books and articles

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics
Subject	Re: Accessing books and articles
Date	2015-08-14 14:51 -0500
Organization	Aioe.org NNTP Server
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On 8/14/2015 2:13 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:06:25 -0500, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
>>
>> Access to a university library is almost always free and does not
>> require a campus ID. Once inside, you have free access to any of the
>> shelved materials.
>>
>
> You are advocating a giant step backward into the idiocy of the past.
>
> All information, bar none, should be accessible from the comfort
> of my desktop.  That's the whole fscking point of the so-called
> INTERNET (the information superhighway, remember?).  The fact that
> universal and free access is taking so fscking long to implement,
> even though it's perfectly possible to do so right now, is a testament
> to the inexcusable intransigence exhibited by contemporary men.

LOL. Love your pseudo-ideologue manifesto.

>
> We have scientific publishing houses stubbornly clinging to their
> easy source of income.  The world, however, is changing drastically.
> It's time for these folks to seek their profit elsewhere (maybe
> selling ice cream from a truck?).

Well, this rather implies that the publisher does nothing to add value, 
and only takes someone's hard work and makes money off it. And it also 
implies that the author of the information has contributed nothing of 
value and should not be compensated for the work in any way. After all, 
all the author has done is supply information -- high quality 
information -- and information is free.

So instead authors should invest years of their lives to write high 
quality information and disseminate it for free for the betterment of 
mankind. And if any author worries how he will feed his family while 
he's investing that effort, then he shouldn't be writing. Only 
independently wealthy people should take on the task of writing high 
quality information, so that they can disseminate it for free.

And, by the way, the same authors won't have a publisher that is 
providing illustrators or photo researchers, so they'll have to do their 
own illustrations and take their own photos. Oh, but photos are 
information and are free too, so professional photographers can hang it 
up -- no point in that job.

And while we're at it, medical diagnosis and treatment plans are 
information and should be free. Doctors should freely tell their 
patients what's wrong with them and what they need to do to correct it, 
all for free, because that's nothing more than information. Where are 
the websites where I can buy a diagnostic probe to plug into my 
computer and have some software do all that FOR FREE?

>
> If I see a link, I should be able to simply click and have the article
> IMMEDIATELY.  There's no need for libraries that house THOUSANDS OF
> TONS of obsolete paper.  But currently all I get is a goddamned
> pay wall.  This practice has got to die.
>
> Information is free.  There is no justification whatsoever
> for sci publishers. (But Odd Ball will certainly attempt to
> find one.)
>
> The Google Books Library Project should be lauded, but all recent
> information should be, and should have been been, all DIGITAL.
> Use trees for fscking toothpicks and toilet paper, not books and
> journals.
>
> Note: using Djvu compression ( http://djvu.org ) I can compress
> 150 dpi 8"x5" scanned documents to 12 kilobytes and I have been
> doing this for a long, long time.  Years and years of paperwork
> can be kept on a thumb drive.  C'mon world.  Get your asses moving.
>

You go first. Your services for free, right?

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Thread

Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 09:06 -0500
  Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 09:16 -0500
  Re: Accessing books and articles Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 07:23 -0700
    Re: Accessing books and articles "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-17 20:10 +0200
  Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 16:33 +0200
    Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 10:06 -0500
      Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 17:14 +0200
      Re: Accessing books and articles HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 11:26 -0400
  Re: Accessing books and articles gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-14 13:41 -0500
  Re: Accessing books and articles benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:01 -0400
    Re: Accessing books and articles John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 17:25 -0700
    Re: Accessing books and articles HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 08:06 -0400
  Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 19:13 +0000
    Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-14 15:43 -0400
      Re: Accessing books and articles Eteocles Panagakos <eteoclespd@prospernetwork.org> - 2015-08-14 19:51 +0000
        Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:22 -0500
          Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 20:39 +0000
            Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 16:09 -0500
              Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 21:14 +0000
                Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 16:33 -0500
        Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 10:43 +0200
      Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:00 -0500
        Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 20:30 +0000
          Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:46 -0500
            Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-15 02:04 +0000
              Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 21:37 -0500
              Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-14 22:40 -0400
                Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-15 03:15 +0000
                Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-14 23:57 -0400
                Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 12:13 +0200
                Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-15 10:38 -0400
                Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 16:59 +0200
                Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 12:05 +0200
                Re: Accessing books and articles John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-15 17:49 -0700
              Re: Accessing books and articles John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 20:05 -0700
              Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 11:51 +0200
          Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-14 18:38 -0400
            Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:11 -0500
      Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 20:05 +0000
        Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:10 -0500
    Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 14:51 -0500
      Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:07 -0500
      Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-14 20:19 +0000
        Re: Accessing books and articles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 15:37 -0500
          Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 12:34 +0200
      Re: Accessing books and articles Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-17 01:05 +0200
    Re: Accessing books and articles Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 18:56 -0500
      Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-15 00:53 +0000
        Re: Accessing books and articles John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 18:43 -0700
      Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 12:41 +0200
      Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 03:08 -0400
        Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! noel <deletethis@invalin.lan> - 2015-08-18 08:40 +1000
          Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 19:25 -0400
          Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-08-18 08:48 -0400
            Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! noel <deletethis@invalin.lan> - 2015-08-19 10:04 +1000
              Re: Should we jail librarians ? ! "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-08-19 12:54 -0400
    Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 10:39 +0200
  Re: Accessing books and articles Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 08:20 -0700
    Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 18:19 +0200
      Re: Accessing books and articles kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-15 12:37 -0400
        Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 18:45 +0200
  Re: Accessing books and articles Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-16 12:04 +0200
    Re: Accessing books and articles Eteocles Panagakos <eteoclespd@prospernetwork.org> - 2015-08-16 11:44 +0000
      Re: Accessing books and articles Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-16 15:30 +0200
  Re: Accessing books and articles "T.M. Sommers" <tmsommers2@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 11:07 -0400
    Re: Accessing books and articles Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 17:53 +0200
    Re: Accessing books and articles Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-17 00:44 +0200
  Re: Accessing books and articles Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-16 18:27 +0000

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