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Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox
Date 2015-08-03 09:00 -0500
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On 7/31/2015 11:15 PM, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 9:40:15 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
>> Let's go back to the asymmetric twin puzzle.
>>
>> What does he see on the outward bound trip? Each time he looks out, the
>> clocks show a time that is further and further behind his own clock on
>> the ship. Since all those clocks are synched with the earth clock, he's
>> right to conclude that the earth clock is running slower than his own clock.
>
> Yes, this is what SR says.  On the other hand, SR always says the earth staying
> twin (A) also sees the same slowdown in time of the traveling twin (B).

Well, if there were a system of clocks strung out behind the traveling 
twin and traveling inertially relative to the earth and all at rest 
relative to the traveling twin on the outbound trip, yes. (Notice 
however, that these clocks keep going when the traveling twin turns around.)

>  Of course,
> Odd Bodkin aka PD would like to challenge that.  OK, let's give it to the imbecile
> just for once.  Say 100 hours have passed as observed by the earth staying twin, but
> only 10 hours have passed on the traveling twin.  So, we have:
>
> **  Twin A notices 100 hours have elapsed but observes Twin B only 10 hours have
> elapsed locally to B.  <shrug>

Twin A can't notice anything locally to B. All twin A can do is to look 
at the string of clocks passing by the earth. See above.

Do you not know ANYTHING about relativity at all?

Rest ignored. Try again.

>
> **  Twin B notices only 10 hours have passed but observes A aging by 100 hours.
> <shrug>
>
> Then, B stops its acceleration but with high speed relative to A and vice versa.
> At this moment on, both twins are in inertial frames of reference, no?  Thus,
> mutual time dilation demanded by SR must apply.  Says each twin observes the other
> for another 100 hours (local time).  We have:
>
> **  Twin A notices 200 hours have passed since B left but observes B's time only
> shows 20 hours have passed.  <shrug>
>
> **  Twin B notices 110 hours have passed since leaving A but observes A's local
> time to show only 110 hours.
>
> Now, B turn around executing the same acceleration profile as the leg out but twice
> as long in duration which is 20 hours in B's time but 200 hours in A's time (assuming
> the BS perpetrated by the Einstein dingleberries is valid).  We have:
>
> **  Twin A registers 400 hours but observes B to have only 40 hours.  <shrug>
>
> **  Twin B registers 130 hours but observes A to have 310 hours.  <shrug>
>
> Then, the same coasting profile applies to B for 100 hours where both are in inertial
> frames of reference.  We have:
>
> **  Twin A registers 500 hours but observes B to have only 50 hours.  <shrug>
>
> **  Twin B registers 230 hours but observes A to have 320 hours.  <shrug>
>
> At last, B executes the same acceleration profile to be reunited with A.  We have:
>
> **  Twin A registers 600 hours at the time B comes back but observes B only to have
> 60 hours.  <shrug>
>
> **  Twin B registers 240 hours but observes A to have 420 hours.  <shrug>
>
> Since A and B don't agree, the Twin paradox is a fatal contradiction to SR.  However,
> say Odd Bodkin aka PD still is not convinced.  The imbecile manages to claim at the
> exact turn around these numbers would miraculously come up all right through rigorous hand waving
> and more bullshit as well as bullying.  <shrug>

Well, it's not hand-waving if it's rigorous, is it? It's called 
mathematics. It's over your head, so you call it mathemaGic. And 
whenever anyone says anything over your head, I gather you call it 
bullying and bullshit.

>
>> Now he turns around and heads back to earth. Again he looks out the
>> window to see how those clocks are running. Sacre bleu! Now all the
>> clocks outside the window are way AHEAD of his own clock on the ship.
>> But as he continues to watch the clocks pass, he notices that they are
>> less ahead than the previous one, which means again that the earth clock
>> is running more slowly than the ship's clock. But they are still WAY
>> AHEAD of the ship's clock and they remain that way, even though they are
>> running more slowly. When the traveling twin arrives back at earth, the
>> earth clocks are still way ahead of the rocket's clock.
>
> Let's make the coasting time of B where both A and B are in inertial frames of reference
> 1000 hours instead of only 100 hours per leg of journey but with the exact same acceleration
> profiles.  How does Odd Bodkin aka PD bullshit or bully its way to have all the number match
> correctly?  <shrug>

I already told you. The amount the clocks out the window jump ahead is 
not based on the acceleration profile. It is dependent on HOW FAR AWAY 
the earth is at this point. So the further away it is, then the larger 
the jump, even if the acceleration profile is the same.

I showed you this using the Lorentz transform and limits. You didn't 
understand the very simple mathematics and called it mathemaGic, and 
therefore bullying and bullshit.

>
>> If this comes as a shock to Julio, then maybe he'd be wise to pick up
>> some books on the subject.
>
> Koobee Wublee thinks we should recycle these books as toilet papers.  <shrug>
>
>> It's not surprising that a neophyte like Julio might be confused.
>
> Odd Bodkin aka PD and other Einstein dingleberries such as Tom are greatly mystified
> by bullshit of SR.  <shrug>
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-07-28 20:16 -0500
  Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2015-07-28 19:16 -0700
    Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-07-28 19:20 -0700
      Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2015-07-28 19:23 -0700
        Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-07-28 20:44 -0700
        Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-07-29 13:59 -0700
          Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-07-29 14:20 -0700
          Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 00:53 -0700
            Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 09:28 -0500
          Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 01:03 -0700
        Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2015-07-30 08:19 +0200
    Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-28 19:46 -0700
  Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-29 23:20 +0200
    Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 01:07 -0700
      Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 09:30 -0500
    Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-30 16:28 +0200
      Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-07-31 19:46 -0500
      Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-07-31 19:52 -0500
        Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-01 18:02 -0700
          Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox alsor@interia.pl - 2015-08-02 10:01 -0700
            Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 12:03 -0700
              Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-03 23:36 +0200
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                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 11:53 -0700
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                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-04 14:53 -0700
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                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-05 17:10 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-05 15:51 +0000
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                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-05 18:16 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-05 16:22 +0000
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                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-05 19:13 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:18 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-05 19:29 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:45 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-05 19:51 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:59 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-05 20:07 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:28 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-05 23:22 +0200
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                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-06 16:41 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:11 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-06 20:25 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:56 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-06 21:06 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:15 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-06 21:26 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:34 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-06 21:47 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 15:27 -0500
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 13:36 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-06 23:05 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 14:53 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 17:59 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-06 18:21 -0700
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                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-07 16:32 +0200
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                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 16:05 -0700
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                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-08 19:52 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 11:40 -0700
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                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-08 06:09 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-06 12:20 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-06 21:35 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:43 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-06 21:48 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:59 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-05 20:12 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-05 08:44 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 15:10 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-05 16:31 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:00 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-05 18:14 +0200
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                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 13:59 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 16:10 -0500
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            Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-04 06:19 -0700
              Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 06:50 -0700
              Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 09:09 -0500
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-04 07:17 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 07:25 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 09:48 -0500
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 09:57 -0500
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-05 06:07 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 06:30 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-05 08:49 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:59 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-05 12:19 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:24 -0500
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-05 17:59 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 20:17 -0500
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 18:54 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-08-05 19:45 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-05 21:14 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 12:25 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-05 21:52 -0500
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 20:11 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-05 17:49 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-06 12:14 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-06 14:18 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-07 12:20 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-08 06:52 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-09 09:46 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-09 07:27 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-09 21:07 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 09:20 -0500
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-10 13:37 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-11 13:15 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-11 06:06 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 07:46 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-11 22:36 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-12 07:17 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 09:29 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-12 18:42 +0200
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-12 14:55 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 19:25 -0700
            Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-04 15:56 +0000
              Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 09:06 -0700
                Stephane baune continues to puff himself "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-04 11:04 -0700
  Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-29 20:16 -0700

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