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| Date | 2015-03-17 17:55 -1000 |
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| From | "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> |
| Organization | FORTH, Inc. |
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: local variable |
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On 3/17/15 5:09 PM, Bernd Paysan wrote:
> Elizabeth D. Rather wrote:
>
>> On 3/17/15 4:25 PM, HAA wrote:
>>> Stephen Pelc wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>> The brace notation was complete and had usage history long before the
>>>> ANS locals process started. We added LOCALS| just for ANS compliance.
>>>
>>> The fact remains ANS TC voted for Colburn's LOCALS| over the braces
>>> notation. They must have had their reasons.
>>
>> It was the most hotly and extensively debated issue of the entire
>> process. The TC was almost evenly divided on the issue. The argument in
>> favor of LOCALS| and its argument order was that it had been implemented
>> in MacForth for years and there were literally thousands of copies in
>> use, and much code dependent on it. At that time, no one on the
>> committee had more than experimental code using the other order.
>> Ultimately, the TC was unwilling to invalidate that much existing code.
>
> Like any non-standard code, that code isn't "invalidated" by a TC decision
> for a different proposal. It is just the same non-standard stuff as it was
> before. In so far one could say that the current {: :} standard
> "invalidates" all the programs which actually use the { } braces notation
> without colon, and doing that would be no way. The {: :} notation is a
> compromise between all those people who used the braces notaion and Forth
> Inc., which ignored the braces notation, and instead used braces for multi-
> line comments. I don't think it will really catch on: The people who used
> the braces notation on Forths who had it before, will continue to use it,
> and the systems will continue to offer that.
>
> I've implemented locals in bigForth in 1992, using the braces notation. In
> 1993, I added ANS locals; I did never use them. I haven't heard of the
> locals| notation before ANS; however, I did hear of the braces notation,
> must have been right here in comp.lang.forth.
>
> The Forth200x committee wouldn't have accepted a proposal with only a slight
> majority. That is way too far off consensus to be acceptable. Usually,
> with two nays, we feel it's no longer acceptable. This is a conservative
> strategy, and nobody forces us to be fast.
That was also the rule for the ANS Forth TC, but after 6 years during
which we failed to obtain a consensus on this issue while all other
outstanding issues had been resolved, we reluctantly accepted it.
Cheers,
Elizabeth
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local variable grobibi <tristanhennequin@free.fr> - 2015-03-15 00:43 +0100
Re: local variable "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-03-14 15:01 -1000
Re: local variable grobibi <tristanhennequin@free.fr> - 2015-03-15 02:50 +0100
Re: local variable albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-03-15 03:02 +0000
Re: local variable Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-03-15 02:53 +0100
Re: local variable "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-17 22:29 +0000
Re: local variable hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-03-14 20:45 -0700
Re: local variable stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-03-15 10:53 +0000
Re: local variable Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-03-15 22:54 +0100
Re: local variable hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-03-15 19:45 -0700
Re: local variable hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-03-15 20:15 -0700
Re: local variable grobibi <tristanhennequin@free.fr> - 2015-03-16 08:42 +0100
Re: local variable stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-03-16 07:51 +0000
Re: local variable hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-03-16 09:59 -0700
Re: local variable "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-03-16 20:31 +0000
Re: local variable "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-18 08:59 +0000
Re: local variable "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-03-17 13:47 +1100
Re: local variable stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-03-17 10:59 +0000
Re: local variable Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-03-17 18:55 +0100
Re: local variable stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-03-17 18:43 +0000
Re: local variable "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-03-18 13:25 +1100
Re: local variable "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-03-17 16:43 -1000
Re: local variable Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-03-18 04:09 +0100
Re: local variable "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-03-17 17:55 -1000
Re: local variable "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-03-20 22:28 +1100
Re: local variable Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-03-20 15:43 +0100
Identifying self interest (was Re: local variable) "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-03-20 15:20 +0000
Re: local variable "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-18 08:48 +0000
Re: local variable anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-03-17 14:18 +0000
Re: local variable albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-03-17 16:24 +0000
Re: local variable "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-03-17 16:34 +0000
Re: local variable anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-03-18 14:32 +0000
Re: local variable Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-03-17 20:08 +0100
Re: local variable anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-03-18 15:21 +0000
Re: local variable anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-03-16 15:36 +0000
Re: local variable hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-03-16 10:09 -0700
Re: local variable "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-03-16 20:24 +0000
Re: local variable "Rod Pemberton" <buzz@notnotnontnooatno.cmm> - 2015-03-16 19:00 -0400
Re: local variable "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-03-17 12:06 +0000
Re: local variable stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-03-17 14:37 +0000
Re: local variable Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-03-17 18:58 +0100
Re: local variable Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2015-03-17 08:55 -0400
Re: local variable anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-03-17 14:15 +0000
Re: local variable anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-03-17 16:54 +0000
Re: local variable "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-03-17 17:45 +0000
Re: local variable Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-03-17 20:14 +0100
Re: local variable anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-03-20 15:06 +0000
Re: local variable hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-03-20 16:14 -0700
Re: local variable "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-03-21 09:47 +0000
Re: local variable "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-18 05:04 +0000
Ignore the standard Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch> - 2015-03-18 04:09 -0700
Re: Ignore the standard Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2015-03-18 07:26 -0400
Re: Ignore the standard "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-20 17:31 +0000
Re: Ignore the standard Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2015-03-20 17:41 -0400
Re: Ignore the standard "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-03-20 14:26 -1000
Re: Ignore the standard Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 06:00 -0400
Re: Ignore the standard hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-03-21 15:11 -0700
Re: Ignore the standard Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-03-21 02:49 +0100
Re: Ignore the standard Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 06:04 -0400
Re: Ignore the standard "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-03-18 16:05 +0000
Re: Ignore the standard "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2015-03-20 17:13 +0000
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