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Re: Readability part I - code

From glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Readability part I - code
Date 2015-07-11 20:06 +0000
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Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
> Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> writes:
(snip)

>> But thinking about it now, I think of each 3-line sequence as a separate
>> "block" (using that term informally).  Adding blank lines:

>>     if (condition) {
>>         statement;
>>     }
>>
>>     else if (condition) {
>>         statement;
>>     }
>>
>>     else {
>>         statement;
>>     }
 
> I find this conceptualization rather horrifying.  It visually
> suggests that the several components are independent, whereas
> actually the opposite is true.

Lately I have been working more in VHDL which has an ELSIF very
distinct from ELSE IF.  If you use ELSE IF, you need the 
appropriate number of END IF (but not ENDIF), but with ELSIF
only one END IF. Seems to me that they are as independent
as cases in a switch.
 
>> Writing "} else {" feels a bit awkward to me;  it puts the last line of
>> one "block" on the same line as the first line of the following one.
 
> I view the close brace as belonging to the if(), not the block;
> only the contained statements form the "body" of an if() or
> else/else if().  

Hmmm.  Before learning C, the block structured language that
I used most was PL/I, which has DO; and END; where C has { and }.
Being statements instead of punctuation makes it harder to 
consider them as part of the IF. I am not so sure, but that
might be why I consider the } as part of the block, not the if.

> Visually that makes sense - the close brace is
> at the same level of indentation as the if().  I know this point
> of view is rather contra-syntactic, but IMO is a pragmatic
> concession recognizing C not having proper IF/WHILE constructs.
> Furthermore it aligns well with how C treats 'else' - you can't
> tell when the if() has finished until you get to the 'else' (or
> some other token).
 
>> No doubt there are valid counterarguments, and I'm not going to object
>> to anyone else using a different layout (within reason).
 
> Like I've said in other places, I'm not really looking for
> argument as much as I am tyring to understand other people's
> perceptions and conceptualizations.  Here I think we have hit
> on a key one, which is you think of the closing brace in this
> case as "belonging" to the group of statements before it.
> I don't think of it as belonging to those statements;  it ends
> the group of statements but is outside of them, and part of
> the if().  In this view it makes more sense to put close
> braces on the same line as else/else if().

How much programming using a language with IF/ENDIF did you
do before starting C?

>> In any case, the style I use (which has evolved over time) is IMHO as
>> consistent as it needs to be.  It's unlikely to be visually painful
>> for any reader who doesn't already hate putting "{" at the end of
>> a line.  Any effort I expend thinking about how to improve it is
>> likely to outweigh the benefits.  Of course I reserve the right to
>> change my mind.  (And of course, when working on code that I don't
>> own I follow its coding conventions rather than my own preferences.)
 
> Just as a point of information it is visually painful for me.
> Also I see it as somewhat error prone, since it might easily
> lead to cases where an if() statement is seen to be complete
> when in fact it is not.  (And this kind of misperception is
> one that has actually happened for me, so I know it can happen.)

Some years ago, I was doing a lot of TeX programming where matching
{ and } is much more of a problem than in C. The vi % command was
very useful in getting them right. Sometimes I would insert a } 
and the end of a file, or { at the beginning, then see where
it matched.  Not so often in C, but sometimes.

As an extra challenge, there are programs with, for example:

  printf("{");

in them, which gets the count wrong as seen by vi.  I might:

  printf("{");  /* } */

(C 90 days) to get them to match.

-- glen



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                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-11 20:04 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-11 12:39 -0700
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                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 07:35 -0700
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                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-30 15:15 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 09:12 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-05-12 17:28 +1200
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-05-12 11:09 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-05-12 11:43 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-05-12 05:16 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-05-12 05:34 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-05-12 22:52 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-21 03:45 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-21 12:53 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-05-21 11:01 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-05-21 20:18 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-05-21 21:47 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Kusalananda <kusalananda@example.com> - 2015-05-24 07:12 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 08:59 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 09:18 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-05-22 07:15 +1200
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 08:53 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-11 14:09 +1200
                Re: Readability part I - code Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2015-07-11 10:37 +0800
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-11 12:51 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-12 10:20 +1200
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-15 07:23 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code jadill33@gmail.com - 2015-05-11 13:30 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-11 21:56 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-11 23:14 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-12 08:15 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 16:38 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-12 11:38 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 17:58 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-12 13:44 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-12 11:32 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-12 11:14 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-21 03:27 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-21 08:41 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-24 18:12 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-24 19:20 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 08:51 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-10 11:35 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-10 14:54 -0400
                Re: Readability part I - code James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-10 15:10 -0400
                Re: Readability part I - code glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 20:51 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-10 13:22 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 20:47 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-10 17:05 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-11 11:04 +0200
                Re: Readability part I - code Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2015-07-11 18:06 +0800
                Re: Readability part I - code Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-11 14:57 +0200
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-11 09:20 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-11 20:06 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-15 04:55 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-11 13:26 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-15 06:29 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-20 13:49 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-21 07:12 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-21 15:26 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-22 11:36 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-24 13:50 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-24 23:01 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 08:42 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 17:37 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-07-10 10:59 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-12 16:47 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-16 17:03 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-23 06:52 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-11 11:23 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-11 23:52 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-20 09:29 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-24 14:56 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 08:30 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-10 11:04 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-10 18:39 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-10 17:02 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-11 01:23 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-10 17:48 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-11 10:50 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-11 06:55 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-11 15:23 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-11 08:14 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-11 07:53 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-11 22:04 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-11 14:51 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-07-11 20:05 -0400
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-12 01:31 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-11 18:24 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-12 19:00 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-13 13:24 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-13 06:11 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-11 23:09 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-11 23:21 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-11 17:35 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-12 01:43 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-12 10:31 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-12 16:12 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-12 18:02 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-07-12 11:16 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-12 21:06 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-11 15:44 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-11 16:15 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-15 13:50 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-11 20:13 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-11 23:01 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-11 17:28 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-12 01:53 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-12 00:45 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-12 01:55 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-12 02:44 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-12 16:51 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-11 10:25 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-11 07:52 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-07-11 09:25 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-11 13:15 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-05-08 16:15 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-11 11:35 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-11 23:56 -0500
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-12 11:53 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-12 20:01 +0100
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-23 07:09 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-05-17 10:12 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-23 07:43 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-05-25 14:51 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-05-26 09:17 +0000
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 07:44 -0700
    Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-30 03:19 -0700
      Re: Readability part I - code David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-30 14:04 +0200
        Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-01 08:07 -0700
          Re: Readability part I - code Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-05-02 09:18 +1200
            Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-03 10:10 -0700
              Re: Readability part I - code Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-05-03 10:43 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-05-03 19:47 +0200
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-03 13:40 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-04 12:10 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-05 06:45 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-05 09:06 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-05 20:27 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-05-06 10:33 -0700
                Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-06 19:33 -0700
  Re: Readability part I - code Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-04-16 12:28 -0500
    Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-30 03:42 -0700
  Re: Readability part I - code Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-30 01:40 -0700

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