Re: sprintf and the trailing null

From	Bartc <bc@freeuk.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: sprintf and the trailing null
Date	2015-07-08 19:01 +0100
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 08/07/2015 18:11, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 1:10:00 PM UTC-4, Phil Carmody wrote:
>> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:

>>> You could implement what you want as an extension.  Since a trailing %
>>> in the format is undefined behaviour, you could have a version of
>>> sprintf that interprets such an invalid conversion specifier as a
>>> request to omit the trailing null character.
>>
>> That is an exceptionally elegant way to solve the problem.
>
> I couldn't agree more.  I've spent several brief few-minute sessions
> thinking about this since it was posted.  It's beautiful.  Almost as
> if those original designers were looking to this future need. :-)

A couple of problems with it. First, someone has to implement it (update 
the library routines for the printf family). (Or somehow write wrappers 
around the existing printf routines, which might mean generating the 
zero then getting rid of it, not exactly efficient.)

But a % at the of a string should be an error. If it now becomes an 
acceptable format-specifier by itself, and /causes the trailing null to 
be suppressed/, it can cause programs to crash if someone intended "%d" 
but the "d" got missed out.

I think the idea to use %!, or any other accompanying code, is better.

-- 
Bartc

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sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 06:16 -0700
  Re: sprintf and the trailing null John McCue <jmccue@jmcnet1.bstnma.east.verizon.net> - 2015-07-06 13:30 +0000
    Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 06:37 -0700
      Re: sprintf and the trailing null Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2015-07-06 21:58 +0800
        Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 07:12 -0700
          Re: sprintf and the trailing null Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2015-07-06 22:34 +0800
            Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 08:44 -0700
          Re: sprintf and the trailing null Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-06 15:46 +0100
            Re: sprintf and the trailing null Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-06 08:06 -0700
              Re: sprintf and the trailing null Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-06 17:42 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 09:48 -0700
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-06 18:07 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-06 12:40 -0500
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-06 10:46 -0700
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-06 18:58 +0100
          Re: sprintf and the trailing null Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-06 16:38 +0100
            Re: sprintf and the trailing null Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-06 23:44 +0100
              Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 15:48 -0700
              Re: sprintf and the trailing null Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-08 20:09 +0300
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 10:11 -0700
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-08 19:01 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 09:02 -0700
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-09 17:07 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-10 17:06 +0300
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-09 17:42 +0000
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-10 13:33 +0300
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-10 12:09 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-10 04:51 -0700
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-10 17:24 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-10 08:33 -0700
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-11 04:58 -0700
      Re: sprintf and the trailing null jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-07-06 14:15 +0000
        Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 07:20 -0700
          Re: sprintf and the trailing null raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-07-06 19:54 +0000
            Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 13:31 -0700
              Re: sprintf and the trailing null Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-06 21:52 +0100
              Re: sprintf and the trailing null raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-07-06 22:52 +0000
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-07 01:04 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-06 19:13 -0700
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2015-07-07 12:45 +0800
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-07 10:15 +0200
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-07 10:31 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-07 02:51 -0700
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-07 12:10 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-07 05:08 -0700
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-07 13:52 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-08 20:20 +0300
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-08 18:51 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-07-09 10:27 +0000
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 19:03 -0700
              Re: sprintf and the trailing null gordonb.7tw58@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2015-07-07 15:40 -0500
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 15:14 -0700
        Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 07:27 -0700
          Re: sprintf and the trailing null jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-07-06 16:46 +0000
        Re: sprintf and the trailing null Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-06 07:56 -0700
  Re: sprintf and the trailing null Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-07-06 09:32 -0600
  Re: sprintf and the trailing null Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-06 08:37 -0700
    Re: sprintf and the trailing null Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-06 08:54 -0700
  Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 08:53 -0700
    Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 09:00 -0700
    Re: sprintf and the trailing null Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-06 17:14 +0100
      Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 09:24 -0700
        Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 09:31 -0700
  Re: sprintf and the trailing null Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2015-07-07 01:43 +0200
    Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 17:09 -0700
      Re: sprintf and the trailing null Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-07-06 21:08 -0600
        Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 21:29 -0700
        Re: sprintf and the trailing null Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-08 20:24 +0300
          Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 10:44 -0700
  Re: sprintf and the trailing null Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-07-07 21:48 -0500

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