Re: sprintf and the trailing null

From	Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: sprintf and the trailing null
Date	2015-07-07 12:45 +0800
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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Malcolm McLean wrote:

> On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 11:53:30 PM UTC+1, Richard Bos wrote:
>> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 3:54:20 PM UTC-4, Richard Bos wrote:
>> > > "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > > Agreed.  So why isn't there a version like printf() which doesn't
>> > > > put a trailing NULL the way sprintf() does, but one that does so
>> > > > to a memory block?
>> > > 
>> > > For the same reason that there isn't a version of fopen() which
>> > > automatically puts ".txt" at the end of all your filenames: it's
>> > > going to be of extremely limited use, so limited that it has no job
>> > > in any general library let alone the Standard one.
>> > 
>> > I don't really see how it could be of limited use.
>> 
>> I don't see how it could be of any real use at all, let alone meaningful
>> use enough to incorporate it into the Standard.
>> 
>> Once again the question to you is: _WHY_ the fsck do you want this!? And
>> more importantly: _WHY_ should the rest of us pay the price?
>> 
> It's useful if you're mixing and matching C with another language.
> Most languages do in fact use aciiz strings because of influence from
> C, but we can easily imagine one which passes string about as
> character buffer / length. Adding a terminating nul means that all
> your buffers are a byte over length, which could cause subtle bugs
> down the line, for example when the string is exactly a power of two
> and the language X internal incorrectly assumes that it's a single
> memory block.

And this problem does not exist, when your not nul-terminated string is by 
itself just a byte larger?

But nobody keeps you from creating your own special functions for this. The 
majority of other C programmers might just not need it. 

-- 
Reinhardt

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sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 06:16 -0700
  Re: sprintf and the trailing null John McCue <jmccue@jmcnet1.bstnma.east.verizon.net> - 2015-07-06 13:30 +0000
    Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 06:37 -0700
      Re: sprintf and the trailing null Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2015-07-06 21:58 +0800
        Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 07:12 -0700
          Re: sprintf and the trailing null Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2015-07-06 22:34 +0800
            Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 08:44 -0700
          Re: sprintf and the trailing null Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-06 15:46 +0100
            Re: sprintf and the trailing null Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-06 08:06 -0700
              Re: sprintf and the trailing null Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-06 17:42 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 09:48 -0700
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-06 18:07 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-06 12:40 -0500
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-06 10:46 -0700
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-06 18:58 +0100
          Re: sprintf and the trailing null Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-06 16:38 +0100
            Re: sprintf and the trailing null Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-06 23:44 +0100
              Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 15:48 -0700
              Re: sprintf and the trailing null Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-08 20:09 +0300
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 10:11 -0700
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-08 19:01 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 09:02 -0700
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-09 17:07 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-10 17:06 +0300
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-09 17:42 +0000
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-10 13:33 +0300
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-10 12:09 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-10 04:51 -0700
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-10 17:24 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-10 08:33 -0700
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-11 04:58 -0700
      Re: sprintf and the trailing null jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-07-06 14:15 +0000
        Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 07:20 -0700
          Re: sprintf and the trailing null raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-07-06 19:54 +0000
            Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 13:31 -0700
              Re: sprintf and the trailing null Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-06 21:52 +0100
              Re: sprintf and the trailing null raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-07-06 22:52 +0000
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-07 01:04 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-06 19:13 -0700
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2015-07-07 12:45 +0800
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-07 10:15 +0200
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-07 10:31 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-07 02:51 -0700
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-07 12:10 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-07 05:08 -0700
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-07 13:52 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-08 20:20 +0300
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-08 18:51 +0100
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-07-09 10:27 +0000
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 19:03 -0700
              Re: sprintf and the trailing null gordonb.7tw58@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2015-07-07 15:40 -0500
                Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 15:14 -0700
        Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 07:27 -0700
          Re: sprintf and the trailing null jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-07-06 16:46 +0000
        Re: sprintf and the trailing null Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-06 07:56 -0700
  Re: sprintf and the trailing null Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-07-06 09:32 -0600
  Re: sprintf and the trailing null Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-06 08:37 -0700
    Re: sprintf and the trailing null Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-06 08:54 -0700
  Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 08:53 -0700
    Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 09:00 -0700
    Re: sprintf and the trailing null Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-06 17:14 +0100
      Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 09:24 -0700
        Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 09:31 -0700
  Re: sprintf and the trailing null Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2015-07-07 01:43 +0200
    Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 17:09 -0700
      Re: sprintf and the trailing null Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-07-06 21:08 -0600
        Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 21:29 -0700
        Re: sprintf and the trailing null Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-07-08 20:24 +0300
          Re: sprintf and the trailing null "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 10:44 -0700
  Re: sprintf and the trailing null Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-07-07 21:48 -0500

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