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Re: Stupid Google Play Services

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On 01/07/2015 17:36, J0HNS0N wrote:
> chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 29/06/2015 17:28, J0HNS0N wrote:
>>> chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> No, that sounds worse. What happens if you disagree to the additional
>>>> permissions upon update? Can you go back to the previous version?
>>>
>>> *If* the new Android M allows it as the current Android OS does you
>>> can go back. You just have to save a backup (apk) copy of the old
>>> version before the update. If you don't like the new one you just
>>> reinstall the old one.
>>>
>>> I use Astro to make my backups but there are many others.
>>
>> Sure that's possible, but it's an additional hurdle which most won't do
>> and I, frankly, can't be bothered with.
>
> Can't be bothered? Perhaps you just wanted to complain a bit then?

I was commenting on the change of behaviour in Andriod M regarding 
accepting permission changes during updates. There is a potential flaw 
in it's implementation, which no-one has clarified what happens if you 
want to back out.

You may interpret that as a 'complaint' of you wish.

>
>>>> I still run an old version of Gmail because of the huge increase in
>>>> permissions required in the latest version - essentially unfettered
>>>> access to the phone.
>>>
>>> There are also many third party email clients that run Gmail.
>>
>> oh, I know. I just don't use Gmail on my phone at all, really. I only
>> have it for the rare occasions
>
> You don't use Gmail on you phone but just want to complain about it?

Sigh. It was an *example* of why you may not want to update all apps 
automatically because of significant changes in their permissions.

>
>> and because I can't delete it.
>
> All my devices allow me to disable the Gmail app which I do since I
> use K-9 for my Gmail.

Disable != delete.

>>> BTW the Windows newsreader I'm posting with is a 13 year old version.
>>> If it ain't broke why update it...  ;)
>>
>> I'd normally agree, but apps are so prone to security vulnerabilities
>> these days that keeping out-of-date versions is a potential risk.
>
> Ok let me get this straight:
>
> 1. You complain (way above) that you can't go back to the previous app
> version after an update if you don't like the update.
>
> 2. You complain (above) that by going back to the previous app version
> after an update is a security risk so you shouldn't do it.....   :-/

I'm not sure where you get 'complaining' from?

Updates are always a balancing act between fixing problems and 
introducing new (unwanted e.g. additional permissions) features. Like I 
said out-of-date apps are a *potential* risk, but so are additional 
features. In the example of Gmail, I very rarely use it so I mitigate 
the unfixed issues by not using it. I took the personal decision that I 
felt the risks were less than updating it and allowing it access to 
essentially everything on my phone. If someone wanted to target an app 
to compromise Gmail must be high on their list: it exists on every 
device and (now) has complete access to your phone - including the 
ability to delete files, contacts and accounts, send emails without your 
knowledge and set passwords. No thank you!

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Re: Stupid Google Play Services Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-06-27 18:48 +0000
  Re: Stupid Google Play Services Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-06-27 21:25 +0000
    Re: Stupid Google Play Services The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 14:59 -0700
    Re: Stupid Google Play Services Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-06-28 12:43 +0000
      Re: Stupid Google Play Services Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-06-29 18:08 +0000
  Re: Stupid Google Play Services The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 14:57 -0700
    Re: Stupid Google Play Services The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 15:15 -0700
      Re: Stupid Google Play Services The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 23:25 -0700
      Re: Stupid Google Play Services Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-06-28 13:02 +0000
      Re: Stupid Google Play Services The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 00:09 -0700
      Re: Stupid Google Play Services Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-06-29 08:49 +0100
        Re: Stupid Google Play Services chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 10:04 +0100
          Re: Stupid Google Play Services tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-06-29 18:37 -0400
            Re: Stupid Google Play Services J0HNS0N <12J0HNSON1022@92300nomail.com> - 2015-06-29 17:33 -0700
              Re: Stupid Google Play Services tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-06-29 22:30 -0400
          Re: Stupid Google Play Services chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 09:48 +0100
            Re: Stupid Google Play Services chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 09:04 +0100
              Re: Stupid Google Play Services J0HNS0N <12J0HNSON1022@92300nomail.com> - 2015-07-02 15:08 -0700
              Re: Stupid Google Play Services chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 14:28 +0100
                Re: Stupid Google Play Services J0HNS0N <12J0HNSON1022@92300nomail.com> - 2015-07-03 09:55 -0700
                Re: Stupid Google Play Services Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-07-03 19:15 +0100
                Re: Stupid Google Play Services The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 14:49 -0700
                Re: Stupid Google Play Services tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-07-03 20:54 -0400
                Re: Stupid Google Play Services J0HNS0N <12J0HNSON1022@92300nomail.com> - 2015-07-04 00:00 -0700
                Re: Stupid Google Play Services The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-07-04 05:56 -0700
                Re: Stupid Google Play Services tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-07-04 15:57 -0400
                Re: Stupid Google Play Services J0HNS0N <12J0HNSON1022@92300nomail.com> - 2015-07-04 14:42 -0700
                Re: Stupid Google Play Services The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-07-04 05:54 -0700
    Re: Stupid Google Play Services lew <citrustwosac@google.mailer.company.invalid> - 2015-06-29 02:10 +0000

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