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Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics, alt.astronomy, alt.atheism
Subject Re: What Causes Gravity -- Something to think about
Date 2015-07-01 13:06 -0500
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On 7/1/2015 12:02 PM, duke wrote:
> That's right.  I just thought that maybe you could offer an answer of why 2
> bodies attract rather than deflect.  You know, an answer other than "well,
> that's the way God wants it."

Well, interestingly, there are physics answers to that question, but I'm 
not really sure if you have an interest in it.

The point being made here is that even if you're not aware of an answer 
here, that doesn't mean that nobody knows the answer.

Now of course, any explanation that is offered always begs the question, 
"But why is it this way, as opposed to some other possible way?" And 
there is no possible termination to that chain of questioning. There is 
no possible explanation where the only response would be, "Well, OK 
then. I guess I can't ask anything else, because it's all there." Nor 
does science ever hope to get to that point.

But that doesn't mean that the only reasonable termination to that line 
of questioning is, "It's because God chose it to be that way." The 
futility of that answer is easily illustrated if you can imagine a 
conversation like this:
"Why did Bob die? I'll tell you why. It's because God chose to have him 
die. What other explanation do you have?"
"Well, Bob died because of general organ failure."
"But why did his organs fail? Do you have an explanation, or is it 
because God selected the organs and commanded them to fail?"
"Organs fail because the biochemistry is disrupted, and good chemicals 
needed to support the organs aren't there, and there is an accumulation 
of bad chemicals."
"But why is there a disruption of the biochemistry? I'll bet you have no 
explanation other than God commanding the biochemistry to change."
"Well, as I understand it, the production of enzymes and proteins 
necessary for biochemical synthesis is by making copies from RNA and 
DNA, and that becomes more error-prone with every cell replication and 
every RNA transcription. That's why chromosomes have these teleomeres 
that prevent replication after so many divisions, and then the cell 
auto-destruct mechanism kicks in."
"But why is there gradual deterioration of the copy-making process? Is 
it because God has commanded it?"
"No, I think it is because of a variety of small influences, like 
background radiation breaking certain bonds and other things like that."
"But why is there background radiation? Is it because God uses that to 
eventually make people die?"

I'm sure you see the pointlessness of that chain of conversation. Here 
you have a person who is oblivious to what explanations there actually 
are available, and is instead only interested in the place where the 
explanations stop and the "because God wills it" is not challenged by 
another layer of explanation.

>
> the dukester, American-American
>
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
> *****


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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