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Re: Mouse-trap lift

From Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
Newsgroups alt.usage.english
Subject Re: Mouse-trap lift
Date 2015-12-28 01:20 -0800
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John Varela used thar keyboard to writen:
> On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 04:26:05 UTC, Tony Cooper 
> <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

[much detail thrown untidily to the side]
> Elsethread I've given the dimensions of our entry as about six feet 
> wide by nine feet deep. Because of the wide opening to the living 
> room, it's almost an alcove.
>
> Friends who live in a far newer house have a space that leads about 
> fifteen or twenty feet from the front door into the living room and 
> kitchen area. This space is defined on the left by a wall and on the
> right by a railing, on the other side of which is the dining room. 
> It crosses a transverse hall and then joins the living room. I would
> call this area an entry, and neither a hall nor a foyer. 
>
[...]
>>> 
>>>> If there's a small room
>>>> just inside the front door, with a separate inner door, I'd accept
>>>> "vestibule" for that, but I've never lived in a house that had one.
>>>> Otherwise I'd just go with "hall" or some usage with "entry".
>> 
>> The door is the entry.  It's the space it opens to that needs a term. 
>
> The door is the entrance. The space beyond the door is the entry.

The houses I was raised in (that I can remember) had porches.  For the 
first, with an unshielded porch, the front door opened directly into 
the living room.  In the second, with a partially enclosed porch, the 
front door opened into a hallway.  My aunt's house had a larger 
partially enclosed porch, and a front door opening into a hallway that 
included a stairway.  My aunt also had a cottage still on the property, 
with an unshielded porch and a front door opening directly into the 
living room, but that door was never used.  The back porch was roofed, 
and the door led into the kitchen; opposite to the door was the "door" 
of the woodshed.

3 of the houses I've been involved with as an adult have had unshielded 
porches and front doors directly into the living room, and 2 have had 
unshielded porches and front doors leading into a hallway (without and 
with stairs, in turn).  All of those houses have been newer than the 
houses of my childhood.

2 apartments which I have tenanted have opened directly into the living 
room, but one was sheltered by the 2nd floor walkway, and one by a 
roofed stairwell between building units.

No vestibules were harmed in making this post.

/dps

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    Re: Mouse-trap lift "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2015-12-20 00:58 +0000
  Re: Mouse-trap lift "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2015-12-15 13:32 -0800
    Re: Mouse-trap lift LFS <laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> - 2015-12-20 08:38 +0000
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                Re: Mouse-trap lift Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 08:03 -0500
                Re: Mouse-trap lift "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-12-23 02:26 +0000
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                Re: Mouse-trap lift Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-28 20:46 +1100
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                Re: Mouse-trap lift Charles Bishop <ctbishop@earthlink.net> - 2015-12-30 10:41 -0800
                Re: Mouse-trap lift Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-30 16:38 +1100
                Re: Mouse-trap lift Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-12-30 16:30 +0000
                Re: Mouse-trap lift "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2015-12-27 13:08 +0000
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                Re: Mouse-trap lift charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2015-12-22 11:08 +0000
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                Re: Mouse-trap lift "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-12-23 02:31 +0000
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                Re: Mouse-trap lift "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-12-25 19:03 +0000
                Re: Mouse-trap lift LFS <laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> - 2015-12-25 19:27 +0000
                Re: Mouse-trap lift Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2015-12-25 14:34 -0500
                Re: Mouse-trap lift Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-25 11:43 -0800
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                Re: Mouse-trap lift Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-12-22 11:47 +0200
                Re: Mouse-trap lift RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-22 03:00 -0700
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        Re: Mouse-trap lift Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2015-12-20 13:23 -0500
          Re: Mouse-trap lift Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2015-12-20 18:48 +0000
        Re: Mouse-trap lift Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-21 09:01 +1100
          Re: Mouse-trap lift Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2015-12-20 23:06 +0000
      Re: Mouse-trap lift "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-12-20 22:12 +0000
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