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Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter

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Saturday, Steve Hayes quipped:
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2015 before midnite, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>

(grouplist trimmed)

> The description of "southern and mid-western US regional dialect"
> given in the quoted source seems to me to fit with the El Paso--New
> Orleans axis -- [...]
> In the light of that, I'd be interested in knowing how close to that
> axis you live or grew up, if the usage is familiar to you. It's a pity
> you missed the original question in the midst of all the noise, since
> you might have been able to answer it 15 months ago. 
>
>
Not very close at all.  My dad started in Toledo, Ohio, but moved to 
Oregon as a youngster.  As a young adult, he eventually made his way to 
NYC, where my mother was raised (German Lutheran Brooklyner).  I was 
born back on the West Coast.

And in fact, my first encounter with "shirttail relative" wasn't 
through lots of people using it around me.  It was from a passing 
comment on the radio was introducing a recording of a piece by William 
Bolcom, and admitted to being a shirttail relative of Bolcom's.  That 
puzzled me, but I asked someone (possibly one my my parental units) and 
got an explanation.  That explanation has been adequate for 
understanding the term on few additional encounters, and I never looked 
for a formal definition.

(Bolcom was born in Seattle, west of the "axis", but I don't know where 
the announcer was born; the announcer was working in Portland OR back 
when there was a commercial station carrying classical music (in the 
evenings only, IIRC).  So a long time ago.)

/dps

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Well hung: curricle-hung in fact. Come sit by me and we'll test the 
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Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-12-26 07:07 +0200
  Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2015-12-25 22:36 -0800
    Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-12-26 11:53 +0200
      Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 11:38 -0800
      Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter John Dawkins <artfldodgr@aol.com> - 2015-12-26 12:45 -0800
  Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-12-26 12:06 +0000
    Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-12-26 20:05 +0200
    Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2015-12-26 21:22 +0000
  Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter Doug Chadduck <dchadduck@comcast.net> - 2015-12-26 08:03 -0800
    Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-12-26 20:09 +0200
  Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter "Joe Roberts" <shoreheritage@att.net> - 2015-12-26 12:02 -0500
    Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-12-26 19:27 +0200
    Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 09:04 -0500
      Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-12-27 16:56 +0200
      Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter "Joe Roberts" <shoreheritage@att.net> - 2015-12-27 10:54 -0500
        Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 12:32 -0500
          Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter "Joe Roberts" <shoreheritage@att.net> - 2015-12-27 16:16 -0500
        Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-12-28 03:22 +0200
          Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter Janet <nobody@home.org> - 2015-12-28 12:40 +0000
            Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2015-12-28 13:04 -0500
              Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter Cheryl <cperkins@mun.ca> - 2015-12-28 15:49 -0330
            Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-12-29 06:09 +0200
              Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2015-12-28 22:51 -0700
          Re: Shirttail cousins -- blogging's bertter Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2015-12-29 15:14 +1100

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