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| From | William Ahern <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> |
| Subject | Re: "The Unreasonable Effectiveness of C" by Damien Katz |
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
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| Date | 2013-01-16 14:01 -0800 |
glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote: > Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> wrote: > > On 1/14/2013 9:02 PM, JohnF wrote: > (snip) > >> C is often called a "portable assembly language" (google that > >> phrase for lots of relevant hits). So this is all pretty > >> well-known stuff already. > > > While it is generally true, the actual meaning of that > > characterization is not exactly unambiguous. > > > C language was true "portable assembler" - i.e. a tool for directly > > expressing the programmer's intent in near-machine language - mostly in > > its nascent stages, as described in "C Reference Manual" and the first > > edition of "C Programming Language". That was indeed a true "assembler". > > > The standardized C was considerably reworked and became more abstracted > > from the actual machines. In many cases when one refers to it as a > > "portable assembler" in the above sense of the term, it usually means > > that one simply lacks proper understanding of the true abstraction level > > built into the language features. > Yes it is more abstract, but if you are careful with what opeations > you use, then you are still pretty close. > But most good high-level langauges now include array operations. No true Scotsman? I use many high-level languages, and none of them have native support for vector operations. I did use R a few years ago to validate some C code, I suppose. GCC has built-in vector extensions for C, but they're only for single dimensions. Some languages make it easier than others to compose vector libraries, of course. C appears to be taking a different tack, which is tweaking the language specification to make it easier for the compiler to auto-vectorize loops.
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