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Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions

From glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions
Date 2015-05-07 13:21 +0000
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David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
> On 06/05/15 17:58, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
>>> Does anyone know why the return value for strcat and similar 
>>> library functions is defined in such an unhelpful (IMHO) way?

(snip) 
>> Speculation: The early design of C did not go out of its way to allow
>> for the possibility of buffer overflows.  If you assume that your target
>> array is always going to be big enough, it's reasonable to write:
 
(snip) 
> That's how I would write it.  But if strcat and strcpy returned a
> pointer to the end of the string, you could write:
 
> char s[BIG_ENOUGH];
> char* t = s;
> t = strcpy(t, this);
> t = strcat(t, that);
> t = strcat(t, the_other_thing);
 
> That just seems so much more sensible to me - you are putting "that"
> onto the end of the string, rather than running through the whole string
> several times.  Even though it run-time efficiency is not always a
> priority in my code, it is usually important enough that glaring
> inefficiencies always irritate me.

C originated on small machines. Seems to me that they didn't think
about how it would scale to really large machines. Pretty much no-one
at the time thought about what you would do with gigabytes of RAM,
or even gigabytes of disk. 

A big disk at the time was 100MB, but they might have had a 5MB disk.

-- glen

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Return value for strcat and similar functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-06 10:02 +0200
  Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Xavier Roche <xroche@free.fr.NOSPAM.invalid> - 2015-05-06 10:34 +0200
  Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Lőrinczy Zsigmond <zsiga@nospam.for.me> - 2015-05-06 16:51 +0200
  Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-06 08:58 -0700
    Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-06 17:07 +0100
      Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2015-05-06 12:01 -0500
    Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-07 10:19 +0200
      Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-07 13:21 +0000
        Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-07 16:24 +0200
          Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-07 18:02 +0000
      Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2015-05-07 10:17 -0500
        Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2015-05-07 10:56 -0500
          Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-05-07 11:00 -0700
            Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2015-05-07 14:28 -0500
              Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-05-07 12:47 -0700
          Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Nathan Wagner <nw@hydaspes.if.org> - 2015-05-08 09:31 +0000
        Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-07 15:55 -0700
        Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-08 11:03 +0200
          Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2015-05-08 05:07 -0500
  Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-06 18:25 -0700
    Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-07 10:22 +0200
      Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-07 15:39 -0700
        Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-08 11:09 +0200
          Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-10 08:44 -0700
            Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-10 21:30 +0200
              Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-11 20:42 -0700
                Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-12 09:52 +0200
                Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-05-12 13:33 +0100
                Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2015-05-14 20:15 +0000
                Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-14 23:06 +0200
                Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-20 11:08 -0700
                Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-21 10:55 +0200
                Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-21 13:05 +0000
                Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-05-21 20:42 +0200
                Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 10:40 -0700
    Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-05-08 21:56 +0000
      Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-10 09:07 -0700
  Re: Return value for strcat and similar functions Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-05-07 10:11 +0100

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