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Re: Problems with va_list & friends...

From Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Problems with va_list & friends...
Date 2015-04-19 18:44 +0100
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On 19/04/15 17:47, Les Cargill wrote:
> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 18/04/15 05:01, Les Cargill wrote:
>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> The gcc compiler, however, is a different kettle of bananas, and it does
>>>> sometimes issue warnings for code that /could/ be a problem in different
>>>> circumstances but which I happen to know is /not/ a problem in this
>>>> particular case,
>>>
>>> ... and so I think you maybe oughta buck up and fix it.
>>
>> Fix what? Fix the code?
>
> The warniong.

Why? (But we'll come on to that.)

>
>> Not broken.
>
> If it has a warning, and "warnings mean it's broken" then it's broken.

But if it has a warning, and warnings don't mean it's broken, then it 
isn't necessarily broken, is it?

>> Fix the comment? Done. Fix gcc? I
>> don't think that's broken either. It's giving a warning that is sensible
>> as a warning but not sensible as an error. The problem, if there is a
>> problem, is in the use of -Werror, so don't use that.
>>
>
>
> That's another fine solution, but shipping code with warnings isn't the
> best of all possible practice.
>
>>>> where I've seen the warning, where I've thought it
>>>> through all over again precisely /because/ of the warning (which is why
>>>> I want the warning!), and I've decided to press ahead anyway.
>>>
>>> Understood. But maybe you missed something.
>>
>> Sure, that's possible. But maybe you missed something when you were
>> 'fixing' the code to sidestep -Werror, something that meant you were no
>> longer coding the solution you were supposed to be coding. Of *course*
>> we might have missed something. That's why we do testing.
>>
>
> If fixing a warning breaks things, you have a much bigger problem.

That's why I don't fix warnings if they are warning about something that 
isn't broken.

> And your tests should show it up if you *do* break something.

Agreed.

>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> It is a really rich and interesting tradeoff. I come mainly from the
>>> perspective of "why your code got warnings", which I treat as a credible
>>> question.
>>
>> It is indeed a credible question, but sometimes the credible answer is
>> "the compiler is not magical - sometimes it is over-zealous in its
>> diagnostics, so check every diagnostic message and make sure you
>> understand every diagnostic message." Normally, this will result in a
>> code change, but sometimes it will result only in a comment in the
>> source, documenting the warning, why you got it, and why it isn't a
>> problem.
>
> So you have a code base that compiles clean. NO warnings. If you
> manage to step on something and cause a warning, you'd fix it.
>
> Right?

It depends on whether the warning reflects a problem with the code.

> So now we have a legacy code base, with warnings-as-technical-debt.

Please explain what you mean by "warnings-as-technical-debt" because, if 
you mean what I think you mean, it's a poor description of warnings.

> If there's anyway to do it in a reasonable fashion, it's nice
> to get rid of that technical debt. By the same reasoning above.

So far, you haven't presented very much reasoning with which I could 
unequivocally agree, so I don't think I'm yet in a position to accept 
your conclusion.

> If you can't, you just can't, but please accept that even
> though the compiler may be overzealous, this is dysfunctional behavior.

Why?

>>> What -Werror does is hijack your priorities, which I consider
>>> essentially  valuable. I am more worried about being complacent
>>> than I am about being slightly grumpy from the compiler being
>>> unreasonable.
>>
>> Am I worried about complacency? Sure.
>
> Oh yes.
>
>> Am I worried about being slightly grumpy? Sure.
>> Am I worried about turning good code into worse code just as a sop to
>> the compiler? Sure.
>>
>
> I just don't buy the essential "worse is better" argument you're
> making ( or gently accusing me of making ).

I'm not trying to make any accusations, and I certainly don't think 
worse is better. I do think that we can't expect compilers correctly to 
diagnose every situation that they are required or expected to diagnose 
without /also/ occasionally diagnosing code that is perfectly fine as it 
is. That isn't "worse is better". It's the best of both worlds.


> OF course you have local code standards and that decides.

As do you.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
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                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-04-22 11:32 +0100
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) "Bill Davy" <Bill@SynectixLtd.com> - 2015-04-22 14:31 +0100
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-04-23 07:51 +1200
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) "Bill Davy" <Bill@SynectixLtd.com> - 2015-04-23 08:05 +0100
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-25 10:10 +0000
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-26 09:27 +0100
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-26 10:55 +0000
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2015-04-26 07:19 -0500
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-26 12:59 +0000
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-28 07:07 -0700
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2015-04-28 09:51 -0500
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) guinness.tony@gmail.com - 2015-04-28 08:04 -0700
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-28 16:19 +0100
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-04-28 19:15 -0500
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-28 16:06 +0000
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) guinness.tony@gmail.com - 2015-04-28 09:39 -0700
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-28 16:51 +0000
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) guinness.tony@gmail.com - 2015-04-29 05:08 -0700
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-29 13:47 +0000
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-28 13:03 -0400
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) David Thompson <dave.thompson2@verizon.net> - 2015-05-10 12:24 -0400
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-04-21 18:12 +0000
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Greg Martin <greg.at.softsprocket@dot.com> - 2015-04-21 19:34 +0000
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-21 12:46 -0500
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-04-22 07:42 +1200
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Greg Martin <greg.at.softsprocket@dot.com> - 2015-04-21 20:13 +0000
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-22 10:52 +0200
                Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-04-22 09:18 -0700
                Re: Problems with va_list & friends... raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-21 22:25 +0000
                Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-23 15:59 -0500
                Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-23 11:51 -0700
                Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-23 11:26 -0700
                Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-20 16:15 -0500
                Re: Problems with va_list & friends... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-20 17:23 -0400
                Re: Problems with va_list & friends... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-20 13:17 -0400
                Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-20 15:26 -0500
                Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-04-20 16:15 -0700
                Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-21 00:42 -0500
                Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-22 11:15 -0700
                Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-20 21:50 +0100
                Re: Problems with va_list & friends... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-20 17:04 -0400
              Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-18 08:22 -0700
                Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-19 18:23 +0100
                Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-04-19 13:22 -0700
                Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-19 21:51 -0500
                Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-20 10:01 +0100
                Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-20 05:08 -0500
                Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-20 11:37 +0100
                Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-23 20:13 -0700
        Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2015-04-18 09:15 +0200
          Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-18 12:13 -0700
      Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-04-16 23:40 -0400
      Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-18 08:11 -0700

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