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Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner!

From Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner!
Date 2015-04-17 21:27 +0200
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Slimer wrote:

> On 2015-04-17 12:45 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> Slimer wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-04-17 9:28 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-04-17 6:00 AM, Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>>>> On 16/04/2015 14:05, Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2015-04-16 3:03 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>> Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-15 5:14 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 04/14/2015 05:26 AM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter has a new job at his local football club. He's the
>>>>>>>>>>>> resident goal
>>>>>>>>>>>> post mover.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Who was moving the goalposts when you idiots discovered that
>>>>>>>>>>> your bullshit claim of "windows has snapshots, linux does not"
>>>>>>>>>>> vanished in a
>>>>>>>>>>> puff of smoke?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> JUST SO.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Seriously, these kids cannot steer.  If they wanted to bitch
>>>>>>>>>> about something Linux doesn't have, they'd be complaining that
>>>>>>>>>> LVM doesn't have proper deduplication, which is a valid criticism
>>>>>>>>>> (up to a point).
>>>>>>>>>> But no snapshots on Linux?  Gimme a break.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Except that none of us said that Linux doesn't do snapshots. We
>>>>>>>>> claimed that Linux distributions, by default, do not offer it.
>>>>>>>>> That, regardless of how much tap-dancing you do, is correct.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> < snip >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Finally, I'll add here that LVM works with ALL filesystems.  So
>>>>>>>>>> if you wanted to use, say, xfs with it -- knock yourself out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, that statement just confirms that LVM is not a
>>>>>>>>> filesystem, doesn't it? By default, Linux does not provide
>>>>>>>>> snapshots and the filesystem it uses doesn't even offer that
>>>>>>>>> functionality. People CAN use
>>>>>>>>> LVM, but this is up to the user to set up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Will you argue with the above paragraph?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes. Because LVM is available out of the box, and easy to set up.
>>>>>>>> LVM provides snapshots, and will work as a "meta-fs" above the
>>>>>>>> underlying fs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's great, but it's still not default. You can rearrange and
>>>>>>> manipulate the word "default" as much as you want, but the reality
>>>>>>> will remain that Linux distributions do not set LVM up unless the
>>>>>>> user requests it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, Linux *does* provide snapshots, as all big distros provide
>>>>>>>> btrfs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Except that btrfs, according to experts, is still not able for prime
>>>>>>> time. It's like putting an experimental, explosive motor into a Ford
>>>>>>> Focus... because let's face it, Linux is no better an operating
>>>>>>> system than a Ford Focus is a car.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will you argue with anything about that? You idiots got your ass
>>>>>>>> handed to
>>>>>>>> you by the bullshit claim that "windows provides snapshots, linux
>>>>>>>> does not"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, our asses were not handed to us because you made a fool of
>>>>>>> yourself repeatedly and kept moving goalposts only to be schooled by
>>>>>>> me over and over and over again. If anyone lost the argument, it's
>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was a bullshit claim, and it is since several years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Call us in 2039 when Linux finally provides snapshots by default and
>>>>>>> you claim that fact as a "victory."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tell RedHat or SLES that they don't provide snapshots. Idiot
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You should do it yourself since us "Wintrolls" don't give a shit
>>>>>>> about the well-being of either company and its users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly. Windows desktop provides Restore points / snapshots out of
>>>>>> the box. The user doesn't need to know anything about file systems or
>>>>>> volumes, it's there right after you've installed it with nothing else
>>>>>> for the non technical user to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which also happens to be the best approach. A person who buys a
>>>>> computer for the first time is not likely to know about btrfs, LVM and
>>>>> snapshots and won't think to set them up.
>>>>
>>>> Which is exactly irrelevant in the context of you idiots claiming that
>>>> "windows has snapshots, linux does not"
>>>>
>>>> YOu cretins know less than nothing about linux. And claim utter
>>>> bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> And now you are just Snits and want to weasel word out of the corner
>>>> you have painted into yourself
>>>
>>> Except, once again, nobody said that. From the very beginning, the word
>>> "default" was used and your tap-dancing somehow didn't allow you to edit
>>> the post.
>>>
>>
>> Quit lying. "Default" wasn't any topic when this idiotic claim of you
>> lunatic windrones came up. Because it had no use, if you would have been
>> right about "windows having snapshots and linux does not". *If* that
>> bullshit claim would have had any merit whatsoever, "default" or not
>> would have been irrelevant
> 
> The fact remains that if a Windows convert decided to install Linux
> today,

The fact is that this is totally irrelevant.

You idiots claimed that "windows has snapshots, linux does not".

Which is utterly bullshit. The rest of the bullshit was claimed by you 
cretins *after* you had to learn to your chagrin that linux does indeed have 
snapshots, ans that it does so since quite a long time

Then came the idiocy about "just one distro has it" (bullshit)
"it is only available with btrfs" (again bullshit)
"btrfs is only with few distros" (bullshit)
"btrfs is not stable" (bullshit, Suse uses it as default)
"LVM is not a fs" (bullshit and irrelevant)
"LVM is not used by default" (bullshit, and for example Suse selects it by 
default when several disks as present)
"LVM is not for aunty" (bullshit, if it is installed by default)
"LVM is difficult to install" (bullshit, only true for idiots dumber than 
bread [that would be you, for example])

And so on, and so on. The goalposts did not stop shrieking anymore after you 
came up with the first move of them

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ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-12 21:03 -0400
  Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-12 19:34 -0700
    Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-13 05:21 +0200
      Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-12 21:51 -0700
        Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! taka0038@gmail.com - 2015-04-13 01:16 -0700
          Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-04-13 02:17 -0700
            Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-13 14:13 +0100
              Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-04-13 06:16 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-13 15:30 +0100
              Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 10:49 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-13 16:37 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 12:58 -0400
              Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-13 11:59 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 17:37 -0400
          Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-13 11:54 +0200
            Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-13 11:58 -0600
              Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 17:37 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-13 18:31 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 19:18 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-14 00:32 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 19:24 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-13 16:54 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-14 09:00 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-14 14:26 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-14 09:09 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-14 09:11 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Charlie Croyden <charlescroyden3@gmail.com> - 2015-04-14 06:14 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-14 09:23 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-14 15:58 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-14 10:14 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-14 16:22 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-14 10:52 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-14 17:25 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-14 12:01 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-14 12:23 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-14 12:40 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-14 13:25 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! cc <scatnubbs@hotmail.com> - 2015-04-14 10:30 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-14 10:57 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-14 11:44 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-14 11:55 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-14 11:56 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-14 18:14 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2015-04-14 15:25 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-14 16:02 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-14 19:21 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-14 16:38 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2015-04-14 17:49 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-14 19:15 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-14 18:36 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-14 15:39 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-14 20:19 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-14 09:55 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-14 12:59 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-14 12:14 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-14 17:41 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-15 00:50 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-14 20:29 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-14 19:44 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-15 08:35 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-14 22:40 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-14 19:36 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-14 20:11 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-15 07:15 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-14 08:45 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-14 12:01 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-14 10:19 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-14 10:28 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-14 18:13 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! tmelmosfire <tmelmosfire@gmail.com> - 2015-04-14 15:21 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-14 19:14 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-14 15:27 +0100
                Does "Ezekiel" agree? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-14 10:07 -0500
                Re: Does "Ezekiel" agree? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-14 11:20 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-14 12:13 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-14 10:43 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-14 10:02 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-14 12:15 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-15 00:55 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-15 14:14 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-15 17:19 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-16 09:03 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-16 09:05 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-17 11:00 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-17 08:59 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-17 15:28 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-17 12:35 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-17 18:45 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-17 14:47 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-17 21:27 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-17 21:05 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-18 11:12 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-18 10:23 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-18 17:30 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-18 08:42 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-18 17:50 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-18 09:15 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-18 12:15 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-18 12:45 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-18 14:15 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-18 20:28 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-18 15:24 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-21 11:25 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-21 10:48 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-21 08:44 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-21 12:50 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-04-21 12:05 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-21 12:37 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-21 08:44 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-21 08:30 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-21 11:40 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-21 12:42 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-21 07:18 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-21 14:37 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-21 09:54 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-21 12:05 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-21 12:46 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-21 13:41 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-21 14:53 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-21 12:22 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-21 16:43 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-21 13:58 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-21 14:04 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-23 22:31 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-23 21:36 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 01:28 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-21 20:56 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-21 14:51 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-22 08:06 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-22 09:20 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-04-21 23:11 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-21 18:28 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-21 18:54 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-21 21:00 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-23 10:09 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-23 12:44 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-04-23 23:24 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-24 01:19 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-23 21:42 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-23 21:03 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-23 22:41 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-23 21:41 -0600
                Then how come the landfill is full of tossed out Linux dvds? GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-23 21:40 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 09:44 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-23 22:38 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 09:05 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 11:15 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 12:14 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-25 09:19 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-25 11:13 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-27 08:58 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-27 09:14 -0400
                FUD #3! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-23 21:39 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 09:37 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-21 20:21 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-21 20:43 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-22 07:19 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-23 10:13 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-23 11:29 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-23 05:57 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-23 11:29 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-23 12:49 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-04-23 12:06 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-23 13:39 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-23 08:49 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-23 17:41 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 09:48 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 09:16 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-24 16:31 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-24 20:13 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-24 14:56 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-25 00:10 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-24 15:16 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-25 00:21 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-24 15:28 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-27 10:08 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-27 08:59 -0700
                Oh, like your lies? GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-04-27 11:08 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-23 07:04 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-23 12:11 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-23 08:50 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-23 11:36 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-04-23 11:54 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-23 12:16 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-23 06:49 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-23 13:45 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-23 17:43 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-23 17:39 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-23 12:45 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-23 18:22 +0000
                LOL!!!  Will it replace your missing braincell? GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-23 21:38 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 01:21 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 09:51 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-23 08:43 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-23 15:33 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-23 17:25 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-23 08:48 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-23 12:46 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-23 10:21 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 10:01 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 09:26 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-24 08:59 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-24 10:36 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-24 13:45 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-24 11:24 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-24 14:34 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-23 17:44 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-23 20:14 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-23 12:42 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 09:52 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-23 10:12 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-23 10:03 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-23 08:42 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-21 20:42 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-21 13:59 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-21 17:05 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-23 10:05 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-23 11:28 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-23 17:37 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-23 11:02 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-23 20:13 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-23 18:25 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-23 15:39 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-24 01:26 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-23 18:40 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-23 21:37 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 10:12 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-23 21:32 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 01:32 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 10:14 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 10:29 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 11:16 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-24 12:27 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 13:17 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 16:09 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-25 09:17 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-25 13:02 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-27 09:08 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-27 06:41 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-24 16:00 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 09:12 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-24 12:26 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 17:41 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-24 14:58 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 18:20 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-24 15:30 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-24 15:59 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 18:25 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-25 09:18 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-25 11:07 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 10:05 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-24 11:32 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-24 06:38 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 13:15 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-24 14:38 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-24 09:08 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-24 12:10 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-24 20:16 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-24 22:45 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 07:59 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-24 20:15 +0000
                RonB: Obsessed with Apple and windows for over 20 years.  Get a life. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-24 15:57 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 09:28 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-24 06:46 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-24 20:11 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-27 12:41 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-27 09:02 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-27 12:40 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-27 09:05 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-27 16:37 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-27 13:13 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-27 07:27 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-27 08:48 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-27 16:40 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-27 10:04 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-27 16:43 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-27 18:22 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-27 09:36 -0700
                More ignorance and FUD by you. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-23 21:30 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-23 14:38 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-23 20:46 -0500
                Real UNIX works properly. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-23 21:29 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-23 12:36 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-23 22:42 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-24 01:19 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-23 21:40 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-23 21:01 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-23 22:34 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-23 21:29 -0600
                More FUD. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-23 21:28 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 10:16 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-24 11:28 +0200
                Flounder thinks Joe Sixpack knows "restore points" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-24 06:02 -0400
                Re: Flounder thinks Joe Sixpack knows "restore points" Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 11:23 +0100
                Re: Flounder thinks Joe Sixpack knows "restore points" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-24 13:21 +0200
                Re: Flounder thinks Joe Sixpack knows "restore points" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-27 10:12 -0500
                Re: Flounder thinks Joe Sixpack knows "restore points" Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-27 16:46 +0100
                Re: Flounder thinks Joe Sixpack knows "restore points" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-27 13:15 -0400
                Re: Flounder thinks Joe Sixpack knows "restore points" ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-27 16:06 +0000
                No, you can't.  You lie yet again. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-04-27 11:08 -0600
                Quit lying, JED. GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-04-27 11:07 -0600
                Re: Flounder thinks Joe Sixpack knows "restore points" DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-28 07:31 -0400
                FUD #2! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-23 21:27 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-23 22:32 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-23 12:48 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-23 18:20 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-23 13:25 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-23 22:41 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-23 13:58 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-23 23:00 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-23 14:08 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-23 23:17 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-23 14:42 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-23 20:23 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-23 18:17 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-24 01:18 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-23 18:27 -0700
                But where is your life? GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-23 21:26 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-23 20:49 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-24 02:41 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-23 19:50 -0700
                Yet windows is CERNS new default OS.  LOL!!! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-23 21:26 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 11:42 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-27 10:40 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-27 09:02 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-27 12:44 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-27 09:49 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-27 16:54 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-27 10:07 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-27 12:23 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-27 19:31 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-27 10:45 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-27 10:45 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-27 17:15 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-27 14:32 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-27 17:59 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-27 18:25 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-27 17:27 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-28 00:05 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-27 17:23 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-28 09:04 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-28 07:53 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-28 07:06 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-28 08:48 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-28 20:42 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-28 11:51 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-28 14:02 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-28 13:16 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-28 14:16 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-29 07:46 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-29 08:03 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-28 00:07 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-27 17:21 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-28 10:23 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-28 06:21 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-28 08:07 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-28 07:50 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-27 13:24 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-27 11:51 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-27 19:33 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-27 12:52 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-27 19:31 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-27 19:50 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-27 20:02 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-27 20:07 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-27 20:13 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-27 20:15 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-27 20:23 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-27 20:28 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-27 20:38 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-27 18:14 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-28 12:46 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-28 11:25 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-04-28 12:51 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-28 20:01 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-28 20:37 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-28 19:15 -0700
                What way is that, Turdv?  Viewing porn? GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-04-27 11:10 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-24 01:13 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-23 18:30 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-23 21:25 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 11:46 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-24 07:03 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-24 08:51 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-24 20:31 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-27 12:49 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-27 10:07 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-27 13:11 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-27 12:43 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-27 09:01 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-23 20:13 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-23 18:19 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 11:48 +0100
                More FUD! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-23 21:24 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-23 21:24 -0600
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 10:19 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-24 11:24 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-04-24 10:49 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 11:49 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-24 06:10 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 11:53 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-24 07:06 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-24 12:08 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 09:58 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-27 12:50 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-27 10:00 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-27 10:33 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-27 16:58 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-27 12:56 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-21 12:39 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-18 16:18 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-19 11:04 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-19 18:50 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-19 16:48 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-20 09:43 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-20 18:47 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-20 10:20 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-20 21:10 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-20 12:18 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-20 17:10 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-20 14:20 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-20 19:28 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-20 12:31 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-20 15:37 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-20 12:55 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-20 17:07 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-20 11:31 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-18 15:17 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-20 00:30 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-19 17:49 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-20 09:49 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-20 08:13 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-20 11:15 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-20 08:22 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-20 09:52 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-18 12:05 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-17 12:43 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-17 08:28 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-16 09:26 -0500
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-16 11:43 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-16 15:02 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-16 08:08 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-16 08:29 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-14 09:04 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-13 23:35 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-13 19:43 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-13 18:00 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-13 23:16 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-13 18:00 -0700
          Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 08:59 -0400
          Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-13 14:11 +0100
            Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 10:48 -0400
              Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-13 16:41 +0100
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 12:59 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-13 19:25 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 17:14 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-13 14:18 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-13 21:55 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-13 16:48 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 17:26 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-13 10:50 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 17:31 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-13 14:46 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 18:16 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-13 16:53 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-14 08:51 -0400
      Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-13 11:56 -0600
        Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-13 11:02 -0700
        Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 17:32 -0400
          Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-13 14:45 -0700
            Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 18:11 -0400
              Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-13 16:50 -0700
          Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-13 20:15 -0600
    Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 08:51 -0400
      Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-13 08:06 -0700
        Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 12:52 -0400
          Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-13 10:56 -0700
            Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-13 20:45 +0200
              Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-13 12:07 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-13 21:43 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-13 12:58 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-13 22:08 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-13 13:34 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-13 13:31 -0700
            Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 17:35 -0400
              Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-13 14:43 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 18:11 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-13 18:30 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-14 00:35 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-13 18:39 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-14 00:49 +0200
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-13 18:50 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-13 23:11 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-13 23:08 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-04-13 23:37 +0000
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-13 17:59 -0700
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 19:40 -0400
                Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 19:16 -0400
  Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-13 16:43 +0100
    Re: ext4 vs btrfs - a new winner! Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-13 13:00 -0400

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