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Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops)

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On 03/21/2015 04:01 PM, Philip Lantz wrote:
> James Kuyper wrote:
>> Robbie Hatley wrote:
>>> Which shows that in Perl, a variable declared in a for loop
>>> is re-declared & re-defined & re-allocated ON EVERY SINGLE
>>> ITERATION. Very, very different from C.
>>
>> As explained above, this is permissible behavior for a C implementation,
>> so it's not directly a difference between the languages.
> 
> Not just permissible but required. What is optional is whether the 
> reallocated variable reuses the same address on each iteration.

I suppose I should have made it clearer what I meant - the "permissible"
behavior I was referring to was "reallocating the variable at the same
address ", which is very definitely NOT required. Reallocating the
variable on each iteration is, as you say, mandatory. Declarations and
definitions, on the other hand, are source code constructs, not run-time
behavior, so they only need to be done once, and prior to compilation.

> The difference between C and Perl is that in C the lifetime of the 
> variable always ends at the end of each iteration of the loop, whereas 
> in Perl the lifetime of the variable may extend beyond the end of the 
> iteration of the loop in which it was allocated (and does, in this 
> example).

Can you refer to $var after the end of the loop? If only the memory
persists, rather than access to that memory through the variable name,
then you can't properly say that the variable persists. If you can
access the memory through $var after the loop, which of the ten
different addresses given does it refer to?

I think that he C equivalent of this perl code would not look like
Robbie Hatley's original code, but more like this:

for(int i=1; i<=10; i++)
{
    int *var = malloc(sizeof *var);
    *var = i;
    array[i] = var;
}

-- 
James Kuyper

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Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Robbie Hatley <see.my.sig@for.my.address> - 2015-03-21 00:52 -0700
  Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-03-21 08:28 +0000
    Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Robbie Hatley <see.my.sig@for.my.address> - 2015-03-26 20:57 -0700
  Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-03-21 01:29 -0700
    Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Robbie Hatley <see.my.sig@for.my.address> - 2015-03-26 21:01 -0700
  Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-03-21 01:40 -0700
  Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2015-03-21 08:43 +0000
    Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Robbie Hatley <see.my.sig@for.my.address> - 2015-03-26 20:58 -0700
      Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-03-27 06:12 +0000
      Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-03-26 23:32 -0700
  Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-03-21 10:54 +0000
    Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-03-21 13:54 -0700
    Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Robbie Hatley <see.my.sig@for.my.address> - 2015-03-26 21:24 -0700
      Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-03-27 20:35 +0000
      Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-03-27 21:24 +0000
        Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-03-28 00:03 +0000
          Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-03-28 10:00 +0000
        Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-03-28 18:14 -0500
  Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2015-03-21 14:39 +0000
  Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 09:40 -0700
  Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-03-21 12:43 -0400
    Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-03-21 13:01 -0700
      Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-03-22 18:47 -0400
        Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-03-22 16:39 -0700
          Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-03-22 20:08 -0400
            Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Robbie Hatley <see.my.sig@for.my.address> - 2015-03-26 22:36 -0700
              Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-03-26 23:40 -0700
        Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Robbie Hatley <see.my.sig@for.my.address> - 2015-03-26 22:26 -0700
          Re: Lexical Variables In C Loops (As Compared To Perl Loops) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-03-26 23:38 -0700

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