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Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug?

From Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug?
Date 2015-03-21 15:09 -0400
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On 2015-03-21 12:43 PM, DFS wrote:
> On 3/21/2015 10:18 AM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 09:30:28 -0400
>> "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "DFS" <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in message
>>> news:mei95j$em5$2@dont-email.me...
>>>> Is there anyone here that has a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux?
>>>>
>>>> Hello?  Anyone?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's a simple usability issue.
>>>>
>>>> Bug: the default in xfce (thru 4.10) is to not have a 'busy' mouse
>>>> cursor that lets you know the system is doing something, like
>>>> launching an app.
>>>>
>>>> Judging from the number of Internet posts going back eight years,
>>>> this is a long-time issue:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=xfce+no+busy+mouse+cursor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Workaround/fix: go to Settings -> Mouse Settings -> Themes and
>>>> choose a particular theme that has such a cursor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Suggested Fix: make sure the default mouse theme includes a 'busy'
>>>> cursor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance to whoever has a TGTIDL.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've never been a fan of animated cursors like the current trend to
>>> show spinning cursors, rotating circles, etc while an app is
>>> starting. I liked the simple cursor they had back in the early NT
>>> days which was the standard arrow with a small hourglass in the
>>> corner.
>>>
>>> Providing visual feedback to the user is a well established
>>> convention in software. Doing this through the cursor has been the
>>> preferred way of doing this because that's already where the users
>>> eyes are looking. From a usability perspective it doesn't make sense
>>> to take your eyes off the cursor, go find something else in the
>>> corner of the screen and then move your eyes+attention back to where
>>> the cursor is.
>>>
>>> Changing the cursor from an arrow to an arrow+hourglass while the
>>> system is busy isn't really rocket science.
>>>
>> That's windowism. Linux system is not busy while launching application.
>> That's remnant from single task DOS shell...
>
>
> What are you talking about, 'not busy while launching an app'?
>
> On my new Manjaro 0.812/xfce 4.10 install, Firefox and Thunderbird take
> 3-5 seconds to open, and there's no indication anything is happening.
>
> It's bogus.  Leave it to hobbyists to not fix this in the 8 years it's
> been reported.

If it only takes 3-5 seconds, I would have to assume that you have a 
Core i7 or at least an i5. On my older i3, in Fedora, it took a good ten 
to twelve seconds on a cold boot. However, it was limited to that 
distribution. Everywhere else, it couldn't have taken more than two or 
three.

It the ecosystem were unified as what I suggested, fixing the bug would 
be easy. Since it's not, you'll have bugs in one and not the other and 
even if the problem is widespread, what works to fix it in one won't 
necessarily function in the other.

That is the mess that we know as Linux.


-- 
Slimer
OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner
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Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-20 19:07 -0400
  Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-21 00:12 +0100
    Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-20 19:25 -0400
      Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-21 00:46 +0100
        Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-20 20:25 -0400
        Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 03:33 +0000
          Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-20 21:35 -0700
            Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-21 13:28 -0600
              Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-21 23:52 -0700
          Can some troll who knows him  whup Doofus upside the head? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-21 06:47 -0400
            Re: Can some troll who knows him  whup Doofus upside the head? GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-21 13:28 -0600
          Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-21 13:27 -0600
        Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-21 13:27 -0600
    DFS scores an own-goal Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-21 06:42 -0400
      Re: DFS scores an own-goal William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-03-21 12:30 +0000
        Re: DFS scores an own-goal GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-21 13:26 -0600
          Re: DFS scores an own-goal owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-03-22 23:04 +0000
      Re: DFS scores an own-goal ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 12:39 +0000
        Re: DFS scores an own-goal GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-21 13:25 -0600
      Re: DFS scores an own-goal Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 11:15 -0700
        Re: DFS scores an own-goal GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-21 13:24 -0600
      Re: DFS scores an own-goal JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-03-21 15:39 -0500
        Re: DFS scores an own-goal Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 19:17 -0700
          Re: DFS scores an own-goal JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-03-23 09:55 -0500
            Re: DFS scores an own-goal vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-03-23 16:49 -0700
            Re: DFS scores an own-goal Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2015-03-25 12:47 -0700
        Re: DFS scores an own-goal "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-22 09:46 -0400
  Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-21 09:30 -0400
    Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-21 15:18 +0100
      Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-21 10:35 -0400
        Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-21 15:51 +0100
          Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-21 10:58 -0400
            Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-21 16:21 +0100
              Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-21 11:31 -0400
                Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-21 16:45 +0100
                Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-21 11:56 -0400
                Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2015-03-21 16:09 +0000
                Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-21 13:23 -0600
          Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-21 12:19 -0400
            Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-21 12:40 -0400
              Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-21 12:48 -0400
            Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-03-21 10:08 -0700
            Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 19:25 +0000
          Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 19:23 +0000
            Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-21 15:52 -0400
          Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-23 20:38 -0400
            Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-24 10:25 -0400
        Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-21 18:02 +0100
          Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-21 13:36 -0400
            Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-21 20:40 +0100
              Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-03-22 08:48 -0400
      Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-21 12:43 -0400
        Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-03-21 17:58 +0100
          Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2015-03-21 18:12 +0000
            Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-21 14:33 -0400
          Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-21 18:09 -0400
            Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-22 10:11 -0400
              Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-22 11:36 -0400
        Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-03-21 18:21 +0100
          Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-21 14:48 -0400
        Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-03-21 15:09 -0400
        Most everyone here is running old software/hardware. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-03-26 19:56 -0700
      Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-03-21 13:17 -0600
      Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 19:22 +0000
        Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve COLA report a troll? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-21 15:50 -0400
          Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve COLA report a troll? ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-03-21 22:00 +0000
  Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-03-22 09:18 -0700
    Re: Can someone with a Top Goal To Improve Desktop Linux report a bug? DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-22 22:49 -0400
      Next time, Kindly take the marbles out of your mouth before spouting of John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-03-23 17:14 -0700
        Re: Next time, Kindly take the marbles out of your mouth before spouting of DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-23 20:24 -0400
          Re: Next time, Kindly take the marbles out of your mouth before spouting of owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-03-24 05:04 +0000
            Re: Next time, Kindly take the marbles out of your mouth before spouting of DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-03-24 08:32 -0400
              Re: Next time, Kindly take the marbles out of your mouth before spouting of owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-03-24 16:18 +0000

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