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| From | "Lane \"Stonehowler\" Waldby" <wichitajayhawks@msn.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | rec.aviation.military, sci.military.naval, soc.history.war.misc, alt.war.world-war-three, alt.economics, or.politics |
| Subject | Re: Boxing Khamenei |
| Date | 2025-07-12 12:10 -0500 |
| Organization | Hasbro |
| Message-ID | <mdfj92F1s2rU4@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | <IawcQ.119148$Z6Oc.113281@fx41.iad> |
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a425couple wrote: > Could it be this simple and completely done? > > from > https://hotair.com/generalissimo/2025/06/26/so-what-did-we-learn-over-the-last-week-or-so-n3804177 > > > Boxing Khamenei > Duane Patterson 12:40 PM | June 26, 2025 > > Office of the Iranian Supreme Leader via AP > In 1993, Julian Sands and Sherilyn Fenn starred in a pretty awful > avant-garde movie called Boxing Helena. As the movie progressed, the > psychotic obsession an Atlanta surgeon had for his neighbor resulted in > amputating both her legs, and then, her arms so that she would be > completely under his control. It was a horrible movie, portraying a > pretty horrible existence, before revealing it was all just a dream. But > if you substitute Helena out and replace her with Ayatollah Ali > Khamenei, that's pretty much the box in which he now finds himself. > > In short, the previous fortnight did more to reset the post-World War II > order created by the United States than any other period of history in > my lifetime. With the coordinated B-2 strikes, along with the mop-up > work by our submarines and Nimitz carrier group forces, along with > increased capability and resolve by Israel, now having emerged as the > regional hegemony in the Middle East, lessons to be learned are > available for allies and adversaries alike all over the world. > > Retired Israeli Brigadier General Amir Avivi appeared on Fox News > Tuesday with Martha MacCallum. America is back. > > Iran pulled off the unthinkable in a week. The new axis of evil - China, > Russia, and Iran, has disintegrated. Vladimir Putin not only pulled the > Pastor Johnson card from Blazing Saddles, saying, "Son, you're on your > own," he went further by calling up Donald Trump and offered help to > handle Iran. Trump's response? Thanks, but no thanks. > > And after the strike on Iran's nuclear sites of Natanz, Fordow, and > Isfahan Friday night, Iran's Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, signaled he > was going to retaliate by closing off the Straits of Hormuz, which also > happens to be the choke point for about 80% of China's imported crude > oil. Xi Jinping disabused Khamenei very quickly of that idea, and has > indicated that they're willing to walk away from their previous alliance > with the terror state. From the Times of Israel: > > Somewhere over the mountains of Azerbaijan, unmarked planes slipped into > the sky, carrying Chinese engineers, techs, and advisors out of Iran. No > manifest. No press. Just a silent exfiltration of over 1,600 personnel — > the kind of move you don’t make unless you know what’s coming. > > Beijing called it a ‘routine precaution.’ That’s diplomatic code for: > *we’re done here.* Most of the world missed it. But anyone watching the > quiet war unfolding beneath the headlines saw it for what it was — a > high-level disengagement from a burning front. > > Beijing may still be preaching restraint and calling for a “constructive > role” in the Israel–Iran conflict. But behind the careful press releases > and neutral tones, it’s not stepping in. It’s stepping out. Quietly. > Strategically. Completely. > > So Iran managed to isolate itself from the rest of the world. Their > proxies of choice - Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, have been degraded of > both weapons and terrorists. Could they reload? Sure. But Iran would > have to have the cash and resources with which to reload, and they no > longer have either in much supply. > > Natasha Bertrand of CNN, formerly of NBC, was the talk of the Beltway > Tuesday with a leaked Defense Intelligence Agency assessment of the > Fordow strike, breathlessly reporting that the strike didn't slow the > Iranian nuclear program significantly at all. The problem, of course, is > within 24 hours, the people what actually would know, The Israelis and > Americans, revealed that the destruction was pretty complete. > > Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth from NATO: > > Secretary of State Marco Rubio from NATO: > > Donald Trump from NATO: > > Former CIA director David Petraeus on Fox News with Will Cain: > > The secretary-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Rafael > Grossi with Martha MacCallum on Fox News: > > Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Iran's nuclear program > just went down the drain: > > Bertrand, and the Trump-hating Resistance Media, are so committed to > wishcasting this narrative that Trump's actions didn't matter, they're > beginning to resemble the Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy > Grail. You know who else is in agreement with the assessment about the > current state of Iran's nuclear program being Tango Uniform? The Iranians. > > Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Esmail Baghaei on Wednesday confirmed > the country’s nuclear facilities had been “badly damaged” in American > strikes over the weekend, amid clashing evaluations on the extent of the > success of operations against Tehran’s nuclear program. > > Speaking to Al Jazeera, Baghaei refused to go into detail but conceded > the Sunday strikes by American B-2 bombers using bunker-buster bombs had > been significant. > > “Our nuclear installations have been badly damaged, that’s for sure,” he > said. > > But don't take all these people's word for it. Take Natasha's word for > it, because she saw the initial assessment that was branded "low > confidence" regarding its own assessment, and that the damage could > either be limited or severe. She just chose to not report the 'could be > severe' part. That's just crackerjack reportage. > > Another sidebar narrative currently rippling through the media's > bloodstream is that the Iranians allegedly trucked out usable enriched > uranium, perhaps as much as 400 kilos of the stuff, before the strike on > Fordow. The narrative then says because of the missing uranium that has > been squirreled away, the Iranians are somewhere madly assembling a bomb > and we're just hours or days away from the mother of all responses. > > First, Trump's not buying it. > > But let's play Devil's advocate and give the Trump-hating Resistance > Media their premise that the uranium was moved. As Byron York on X > noted, it doesn't pass the smell test. > > The one known truth that is not in dispute by anyone in the world is how > thoroughly Israel has penetrated Iran with intelligence assets. Whether > it was trucking in drones as part of the initial attack two weeks ago, > or the ghosts of human intelligence that has shocked and awed in their > ability to target nuclear scientists, Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps > commanders, air defense systems, ballistic missile launchers, and other > strategic infrastructure with little to no collateral damage, Iran as a > sovereign state was, and remains, entirely naked, defensively speaking. > None of that goes away with the ceasefire coming in. > > As part of that intelligence, It is unconfirmed, but makes all the > logical sense in the world being that the United States and Israel were > in full coordination during America's bombing run last weekend, that our > B-2's released those dozen or so Bunker Busters that hit with absolute > precision most likely because there were Israelis on the ground painting > the targets. There were literally eyes on all of the nuclear sites, but > especially Fordow, for a long time. To buy into the theory that the > Iranians just snuck stuff out without the Israelis knowing it doesn't fly. > > If you want to entertain a fun possibility, let's say the Iranians did > truck out their weapons-grade uranium. You would also have to assume > that the Israelis knew it as soon as it was happening. Who's to say that > the Mossad didn't run a Red October, and that whatever material was in > question has a new home safe from being used for anything nefarious > again? I'd think that's more plausible, but that's only if you want to > buy into the report that they snuck it out in the first place. The more > likely scenario is whatever uranium was in Fordow is now buried under > thousands of tons of rock and mountain. > > As for the Iranian intent to restart and rebuild, beginning with > attempting to get to that enriched uranium buried at Fordow, again, > nothing has changed on the ground. Both the U.S. and Israel are > watching. If one Iranian sinks a shovel into the top of the rock pile to > start digging it out, he won't make it home that night. Israel retains > both the capability and willingness to act preemptively if Iran begins > to cheat on the ceasefire. And Iran is currently powerless to do > anything to stop it. > > But now we get to the biggest lesson learned from just the last few > days. There was a legitimate unanswered question of whether or not Ali > Khamenei was a true believer, or just another despot in a long line of > autocrats in world history that are perfectly willing to fight to the > death, so long the dying is done by other people. > > If Khamenei were a true cultist, a believer in the 12th or Hidden Imam > sect of Islam that believes ushering in global chaos is what uncaps the > well somewhere, releasing their messiah to come in and set everything > straight, then the ceasefire now orchestrated by Donald Trump is > premature, and nothing will change in their desire to move forward with > the annihilation of both the Big and Little Satan (the U.S. and Israel). > If Khamenei is a true believer, he would not have called the White House > to come to the table and negotiate. He would have been more than willing > to become a martyr and die for his cause. But over the course of the > last 72 hours, that's not what Khamenei did, is it? He did not act like > he believed the Mahdi's return was imminent. He did not embrace becoming > a martyr. He wants to negotiate a way to live and perhaps fight another > day. > > That answers the question of whether he's a murderous, but rational > monster or a religious zealot, and now that we know, it changes the > dynamic entirely. Khamenei, when you cut through all of the rhetoric, > wants to live another day. He's not ready to check out. Which means, we, > the United States, and especially Israel, now own him - lock, stock and > barrel. > > Could revolution come to Iran and overthrow the theocracy? Sure. And if > that happens organically, I'd encourage the people seeking freedom from > afar and help in any way possible. In the meantime, however, Khamenei's > human survival instinct has now placed his clusters, or using the Boxing > Helena analogy, a limbless torso in a box that rests on a desk somewhere > in Jerusalem. Israel knows where Khamenei is at all times. If anyone in > leadership twitches in the direction of restarting the nuclear program, > Israel can and will end Khamenei's life, and that's only if Donald Trump > doesn't beat them to it. Khamenei now rises every day at the pleasure of > the one true God and His chosen people in the land God gave him. He's > been checkmated. > > If money flows to proxy groups, the U.S. and Israel will know, and > that's the end of him. No more need for nuclear deals, no more need for > any of that. The leverage is gone. There is no more listening to > complaints filed at the United Nations. Europe leaders have not > criticized the 12-day war with Iran. Things have changed. > > Even if you believe Iran snuck the uranium out, and they have it > somewhere else safe in Iran and intend to build bombs with it, they > don't have the other implements of destruction necessary to finish the > assembly process they once had at the other nuclear sites of Natanz and > Isfahan. They no longer have a functional ballistic missile program, nor > the personnel to design and build them. There are Israeli eyes and ears > literally on everything sensitive in the country, and that number of > surveillance operative will only increase in the coming months because > again, Khamenei is powerless to stop it. He's been compromised. Iran no > longer has a functional standing army or navy to speak of, and the > prison that used to house political dissidents has been hit. Iran now > has enough on their plate just to keep the regime in power, let alone > project power elsewhere. > > Now that Iran has been taken off the table as a viable threat for the > foreseeable future, let the next round of Abraham Accords begin to > bloom. There is still hard work ahead for Israel with Hamas and > Hezbollah holdouts that are the true believers, as we saw in the death > of seven Israeli soldiers in Southern Gaza when their armored vehicle > was hit by a Hamas terrorist's explosive. The cost has been > extraordinarily high for Israel going back to October 7th, and honestly, > for decades before that. No one should minimize the human and > psychological toll on Israelis and Americans, and for that matter, Sunni > Arabs as well, by the evil regime emanating from Tehran. But not to > recognize a victory so complete it had to have a hand of Divine > Providence guiding it would also be a mistake. It's nothing short of > miraculous to see where the Middle East rests compared to what it looked > like even a month ago. > > The next report you see in media about 'but Trump this', or 'Trump > that,' say a prayer for another moment of God's providence. A quarter of > an inch, a slight turn of the head in Butler, Pennsylvania 11 months > ago, and the United States, the Middle East, and the entire world would > look a lot different, and very likely more menacing, than it does right > now. > TL; DR F! -- Hasbro
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Boxing Khamenei a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2025-07-12 09:36 -0700 Re: Boxing Khamenei "Lane \"Stonehowler\" Waldby" <wichitajayhawks@msn.com> - 2025-07-12 12:10 -0500 Re: Boxing Khamenei "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> - 2025-07-12 19:32 -0400
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