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Re: Boxing Khamenei

From "Lane \"Stonehowler\" Waldby" <wichitajayhawks@msn.com>
Newsgroups rec.aviation.military, sci.military.naval, soc.history.war.misc, alt.war.world-war-three, alt.economics, or.politics
Subject Re: Boxing Khamenei
Date 2025-07-12 12:10 -0500
Organization Hasbro
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a425couple wrote:
> Could it be this simple and completely done?
> 
> from
> https://hotair.com/generalissimo/2025/06/26/so-what-did-we-learn-over-the-last-week-or-so-n3804177 
> 
> 
> Boxing Khamenei
> Duane Patterson 12:40 PM | June 26, 2025
> 
> Office of the Iranian Supreme Leader via AP
> In 1993, Julian Sands and Sherilyn Fenn starred in a pretty awful 
> avant-garde movie called Boxing Helena. As the movie progressed, the 
> psychotic obsession an Atlanta surgeon had for his neighbor resulted in 
> amputating both her legs, and then, her arms so that she would be 
> completely under his control. It was a horrible movie, portraying a 
> pretty horrible existence, before revealing it was all just a dream. But 
> if you substitute Helena out and replace her with Ayatollah Ali 
> Khamenei, that's pretty much the box in which he now finds himself.
> 
> In short, the previous fortnight did more to reset the post-World War II 
> order created by the United States than any other period of history in 
> my lifetime. With the coordinated B-2 strikes, along with the mop-up 
> work by our submarines and Nimitz carrier group forces, along with 
> increased capability and resolve by Israel, now having emerged as the 
> regional hegemony in the Middle East, lessons to be learned are 
> available for allies and adversaries alike all over the world.
> 
> Retired Israeli Brigadier General Amir Avivi appeared on Fox News 
> Tuesday with Martha MacCallum. America is back.
> 
> Iran pulled off the unthinkable in a week. The new axis of evil - China, 
> Russia, and Iran, has disintegrated. Vladimir Putin not only pulled the 
> Pastor Johnson card from Blazing Saddles, saying, "Son, you're on your 
> own," he went further by calling up Donald Trump and offered help to 
> handle Iran. Trump's response? Thanks, but no thanks.
> 
> And after the strike on Iran's nuclear sites of Natanz, Fordow, and 
> Isfahan Friday night, Iran's Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, signaled he 
> was going to retaliate by closing off the Straits of Hormuz, which also 
> happens to be the choke point for about 80% of China's imported crude 
> oil. Xi Jinping disabused Khamenei very quickly of that idea, and has 
> indicated that they're willing to walk away from their previous alliance 
> with the terror state. From the Times of Israel:
> 
> Somewhere over the mountains of Azerbaijan, unmarked planes slipped into 
> the sky, carrying Chinese engineers, techs, and advisors out of Iran. No 
> manifest. No press. Just a silent exfiltration of over 1,600 personnel — 
> the kind of move you don’t make unless you know what’s coming.
> 
> Beijing called it a ‘routine precaution.’ That’s diplomatic code for: 
> *we’re done here.* Most of the world missed it. But anyone watching the 
> quiet war unfolding beneath the headlines saw it for what it was — a 
> high-level disengagement from a burning front.
> 
> Beijing may still be preaching restraint and calling for a “constructive 
> role” in the Israel–Iran conflict. But behind the careful press releases 
> and neutral tones, it’s not stepping in. It’s stepping out. Quietly. 
> Strategically. Completely.
> 
> So Iran managed to isolate itself from the rest of the world. Their 
> proxies of choice - Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, have been degraded of 
> both weapons and terrorists. Could they reload? Sure. But Iran would 
> have to have the cash and resources with which to reload, and they no 
> longer have either in much supply.
> 
> Natasha Bertrand of CNN, formerly of NBC, was the talk of the Beltway 
> Tuesday with a leaked Defense Intelligence Agency assessment of the 
> Fordow strike, breathlessly reporting that the strike didn't slow the 
> Iranian nuclear program significantly at all. The problem, of course, is 
> within 24 hours, the people what actually would know, The Israelis and 
> Americans, revealed that the destruction was pretty complete.
> 
> Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth from NATO:
> 
> Secretary of State Marco Rubio from NATO:
> 
> Donald Trump from NATO:
> 
> Former CIA director David Petraeus on Fox News with Will Cain:
> 
> The secretary-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Rafael 
> Grossi with Martha MacCallum on Fox News:
> 
> Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Iran's nuclear program 
> just went down the drain:
> 
> Bertrand, and the Trump-hating Resistance Media, are so committed to 
> wishcasting this narrative that Trump's actions didn't matter, they're 
> beginning to resemble the Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy 
> Grail. You know who else is in agreement with the assessment about the 
> current state of Iran's nuclear program being Tango Uniform? The Iranians.
> 
> Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Esmail Baghaei on Wednesday confirmed 
> the country’s nuclear facilities had been “badly damaged” in American 
> strikes over the weekend, amid clashing evaluations on the extent of the 
> success of operations against Tehran’s nuclear program.
> 
> Speaking to Al Jazeera, Baghaei refused to go into detail but conceded 
> the Sunday strikes by American B-2 bombers using bunker-buster bombs had 
> been significant.
> 
> “Our nuclear installations have been badly damaged, that’s for sure,” he 
> said.
> 
> But don't take all these people's word for it. Take Natasha's word for 
> it, because she saw the initial assessment that was branded "low 
> confidence" regarding its own assessment, and that the damage could 
> either be limited or severe. She just chose to not report the 'could be 
> severe' part. That's just crackerjack reportage.
> 
> Another sidebar narrative currently rippling through the media's 
> bloodstream is that the Iranians allegedly trucked out usable enriched 
> uranium, perhaps as much as 400 kilos of the stuff, before the strike on 
> Fordow. The narrative then says because of the missing uranium that has 
> been squirreled away, the Iranians are somewhere madly assembling a bomb 
> and we're just hours or days away from the mother of all responses.
> 
> First, Trump's not buying it.
> 
> But let's play Devil's advocate and give the Trump-hating Resistance 
> Media their premise that the uranium was moved. As Byron York on X 
> noted, it doesn't pass the smell test.
> 
> The one known truth that is not in dispute by anyone in the world is how 
> thoroughly Israel has penetrated Iran with intelligence assets. Whether 
> it was trucking in drones as part of the initial attack two weeks ago, 
> or the ghosts of human intelligence that has shocked and awed in their 
> ability to target nuclear scientists, Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps 
> commanders, air defense systems, ballistic missile launchers, and other 
> strategic infrastructure with little to no collateral damage, Iran as a 
> sovereign state was, and remains, entirely naked, defensively speaking. 
> None of that goes away with the ceasefire coming in.
> 
> As part of that intelligence, It is unconfirmed, but makes all the 
> logical sense in the world being that the United States and Israel were 
> in full coordination during America's bombing run last weekend, that our 
> B-2's released those dozen or so Bunker Busters that hit with absolute 
> precision most likely because there were Israelis on the ground painting 
> the targets. There were literally eyes on all of the nuclear sites, but 
> especially Fordow, for a long time. To buy into the theory that the 
> Iranians just snuck stuff out without the Israelis knowing it doesn't fly.
> 
> If you want to entertain a fun possibility, let's say the Iranians did 
> truck out their weapons-grade uranium. You would also have to assume 
> that the Israelis knew it as soon as it was happening. Who's to say that 
> the Mossad didn't run a Red October, and that whatever material was in 
> question has a new home safe from being used for anything nefarious 
> again? I'd think that's more plausible, but that's only if you want to 
> buy into the report that they snuck it out in the first place. The more 
> likely scenario is whatever uranium was in Fordow is now buried under 
> thousands of tons of rock and mountain.
> 
> As for the Iranian intent to restart and rebuild, beginning with 
> attempting to get to that enriched uranium buried at Fordow, again, 
> nothing has changed on the ground. Both the U.S. and Israel are 
> watching. If one Iranian sinks a shovel into the top of the rock pile to 
> start digging it out, he won't make it home that night. Israel retains 
> both the capability and willingness to act preemptively if Iran begins 
> to cheat on the ceasefire. And Iran is currently powerless to do 
> anything to stop it.
> 
> But now we get to the biggest lesson learned from just the last few 
> days. There was a legitimate unanswered question of whether or not Ali 
> Khamenei was a true believer, or just another despot in a long line of 
> autocrats in world history that are perfectly willing to fight to the 
> death, so long the dying is done by other people.
> 
> If Khamenei were a true cultist, a believer in the 12th or Hidden Imam 
> sect of Islam that believes ushering in global chaos is what uncaps the 
> well somewhere, releasing their messiah to come in and set everything 
> straight, then the ceasefire now orchestrated by Donald Trump is 
> premature, and nothing will change in their desire to move forward with 
> the annihilation of both the Big and Little Satan (the U.S. and Israel). 
> If Khamenei is a true believer, he would not have called the White House 
> to come to the table and negotiate. He would have been more than willing 
> to become a martyr and die for his cause. But over the course of the 
> last 72 hours, that's not what Khamenei did, is it? He did not act like 
> he believed the Mahdi's return was imminent. He did not embrace becoming 
> a martyr. He wants to negotiate a way to live and perhaps fight another 
> day.
> 
> That answers the question of whether he's a murderous, but rational 
> monster or a religious zealot, and now that we know, it changes the 
> dynamic entirely. Khamenei, when you cut through all of the rhetoric, 
> wants to live another day. He's not ready to check out. Which means, we, 
> the United States, and especially Israel, now own him - lock, stock and 
> barrel.
> 
> Could revolution come to Iran and overthrow the theocracy? Sure. And if 
> that happens organically, I'd encourage the people seeking freedom from 
> afar and help in any way possible. In the meantime, however, Khamenei's 
> human survival instinct has now placed his clusters, or using the Boxing 
> Helena analogy, a limbless torso in a box that rests on a desk somewhere 
> in Jerusalem. Israel knows where Khamenei is at all times. If anyone in 
> leadership twitches in the direction of restarting the nuclear program, 
> Israel can and will end Khamenei's life, and that's only if Donald Trump 
> doesn't beat them to it. Khamenei now rises every day at the pleasure of 
> the one true God and His chosen people in the land God gave him. He's 
> been checkmated.
> 
> If money flows to proxy groups, the U.S. and Israel will know, and 
> that's the end of him. No more need for nuclear deals, no more need for 
> any of that. The leverage is gone. There is no more listening to 
> complaints filed at the United Nations. Europe leaders have not 
> criticized the 12-day war with Iran. Things have changed.
> 
> Even if you believe Iran snuck the uranium out, and they have it 
> somewhere else safe in Iran and intend to build bombs with it, they 
> don't have the other implements of destruction necessary to finish the 
> assembly process they once had at the other nuclear sites of Natanz and 
> Isfahan. They no longer have a functional ballistic missile program, nor 
> the personnel to design and build them. There are Israeli eyes and ears 
> literally on everything sensitive in the country, and that number of 
> surveillance operative will only increase in the coming months because 
> again, Khamenei is powerless to stop it. He's been compromised. Iran no 
> longer has a functional standing army or navy to speak of, and the 
> prison that used to house political dissidents has been hit. Iran now 
> has enough on their plate just to keep the regime in power, let alone 
> project power elsewhere.
> 
> Now that Iran has been taken off the table as a viable threat for the 
> foreseeable future, let the next round of Abraham Accords begin to 
> bloom. There is still hard work ahead for Israel with Hamas and 
> Hezbollah holdouts that are the true believers, as we saw in the death 
> of seven Israeli soldiers in Southern Gaza when their armored vehicle 
> was hit by a Hamas terrorist's explosive. The cost has been 
> extraordinarily high for Israel going back to October 7th, and honestly, 
> for decades before that. No one should minimize the human and 
> psychological toll on Israelis and Americans, and for that matter, Sunni 
> Arabs as well, by the evil regime emanating from Tehran. But not to 
> recognize a victory so complete it had to have a hand of Divine 
> Providence guiding it would also be a mistake. It's nothing short of 
> miraculous to see where the Middle East rests compared to what it looked 
> like even a month ago.
> 
> The next report you see in media about 'but Trump this', or 'Trump 
> that,' say a prayer for another moment of God's providence. A quarter of 
> an inch, a slight turn of the head in Butler, Pennsylvania 11 months 
> ago, and the United States, the Middle East, and the entire world would 
> look a lot different, and very likely more menacing, than it does right 
> now.
> 
TL; DR F!

-- 
Hasbro

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