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| From | Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: Let's talk about UFOs then |
| Date | 2015-03-03 15:52 +0000 |
| Organization | go, ion artisan! |
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On 03/03/15 14:59, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > On 01-Mar-15 14:58, Richard Heathfield wrote: >> On 01/03/15 20:31, Stephen Sprunk wrote: >>> On 28-Feb-15 09:20, David Brown wrote: >>>> A person was diagnosed with terminal cancer, and was getting >>>> steadily worse. Yet suddenly they made a full recovery - doctors >>>> are baffled. >>>> >>>> Science cannot explain why the cancer patient recovered >>> >>> ITYM that science cannot YET explain why they recovered. That >>> doesn't rule out scientists discovering the cause in the >>> future--and using it to develop a cure. We learn new stuff every >>> day. >>> >>>> it must be divine intervention, working in ways that cannot be >>>> understood by mortal humans. >>> >>> There are rational alternatives, so why presume fairy tales? >> >> To be more precise, hypotheses can be constructed that do not require >> a supernatural explanation, and therefore there is no scientific >> obligation to investigate supernatural explanations, which is just >> as well because such an investigation is not scientifically possible. > > Science is study of the natural world, so supernatural explanations are > inherently out of scope. Right. > OTOH, science has debunked thousands of supernatural explanations, so > it's rational to be skeptical of _any_ supernatural explanations, even > if the specific one at had has yet to be debunked. By the same argument, science has debunked thousands of natural explanations, so it's rational to be sceptical of _any_ natural explanations, even if the specific one at hand has yet to be debunked. You are hoist by your own petard. >> One of science's big assumptions is that the world plays nice (for >> certain values of "nice"), > > We have yet to find any objective, repeatable evidence that it doesn't. That's begging the question. That is, you are assuming that real phenomena give rise to objective, repeatable evidence. In other words, you are assuming that the world plays nice. But a phenomenon need not be repeatable under laboratory conditions in order to be real. Example: the Battle of Waterloo, 1815. You won't be able to repeat /that/ in the laboratory. In any case, the word 'repeatable' is highly suspect. *Nothing* is repeatable. I can take some hydrochloric acid and pour it into the right amount of sodium hydroxide (carefully), boil off the resulting liquid, and get sodium chloride as a residue. That sounds highly repeatable, doesn't it? But how can you repeat it? For it to be a true repeat, you must exactly match the conditions of the experiment. But you just can't. You can't use the same atoms, because I've got some of them and the rest have diffused into the atmosphere -- you'll never find *all* of them. And even if you could, you can't repeat the experiment at the same *time*, because my experiment is already finished and you don't have a time machine. And even if you did, you can't repeat the experiment at the same time *and* the same place, with the atoms in the exact same places as before, because those places are already occupied. There really is no such thing as repeatability. It's a myth. > >> and so divine intervention (which is notoriously unreproducible) is >> somehow considered to be cheating. Dismissing the possible existence >> of supernatural agencies as "fairy tales" is a fairly common way of >> protecting oneself against having to consider them. > > I don't need "protection" from imaginary fairies. And saying so is your way of protecting yourself against having to consider them. > That's one of the > main differences between religion and science: the former only applies > to those who believe in it, while the latter applies to everyone. If 'religion' (FCVO 'religion') is *true*, it applies to everyone. If it's false, it doesn't apply to anyone. >> It is possible to construct other rules that also work very well, as >> long as we accept that we are no longer "doing science" (i.e. playing >> by science's rules). > > Of course. In the olden days, universities were divided into two sets > of subjects: philosophy (study of the natural world, i.e. science) and > theology (study of the supernatural world, i.e. religion). The former > took us from riding horses to walking on the moon in a few years; the > latter still has people living in mud huts. I know which I prefer. A car has an accelerator and a brake. You may prefer the accelerator because it helps you go fast, but a time may yet come when you are grateful for the brake. Physical progress is important, and science certainly helps with that. But progress isn't just about walking on the moon. It's also about not treating people as things. Science is not good at that part. > (This division is still evident in the "Doctor of Philosophy", aka > "Ph.D.", which is awarded to academics in _any_ scientific field.) > >> It is also possible to show flaws in science's rules, but scientists >> try very hard to ignore these flaws, > > No, they don't; if you can prove that their rules are flawed, they will > come up with new rules that take those issues into account. Fine. The concept of repeatability is flawed. Go find some new rules that still work but which don't rely on repeatability. > That is how > science progresses. Religion, OTOH, tends to kill anyone who disagrees > with their rules--such as scientists. Religion never killed anyone. Neither did science. Religious *people* have killed, sure. And so have scientists. In fact, if you add them up, the scientists are vastly more efficient at killing people. In general, religions tend to be quite hot on urging us *not* to kill people. The Christian faith preaches "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control". Those are good things, right? I could, if I chose, go on and on about the hundreds of millions of people who died because of scientific advances. But I'm not going to do that. I don't wish to rubbish science, because I think it's a force for good, when used properly. But so is what we are calling 'religion' -- when used properly. >>>> No one can figure out what the aliens were doing here, >>> >>> Nobody has established that aliens are here, or even that they >>> exist. >> >> The Drake Equation suggests that there is a reasonable probability >> that aliens do exist; but our knowledge of the universe suggests >> that, even if they do exist, they are unlikely to find their way >> here. > > Showing a probability that something exists is not the same thing as > showing evidence that it actually does. I agree entirely. Nobody has established that aliens are here, or even that they exist. Nevertheless, the Drake Equation suggests that there is a reasonable probability that aliens do exist. Personally, I'm not entirely convinced by the Drake Equation. As far as aliens go, I'm a bit of a sceptic. But I wouldn't want to be bigoted about it -- if they exist, fine, they exist, and I don't have a problem with that, as long as they leave me alone to get on with my life without being eaten, shot at, gassed, poisoned, nuked, or whatever other advanced forms of killing these advanced intelligences have managed to dream up in their science laboratories. -- Richard Heathfield Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999 Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
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Re: Let's talk about UFOs then jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2015-03-01 21:55 +0100
Re: Let's talk about UFOs then Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-01 13:39 -0800
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