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| From | "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -color to reply]" <dr.j.thornburg@gmail-red.com> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics.research |
| Subject | inelastic collision (was: Re: Newton e Hooke) |
| Date | 2025-02-26 08:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <m28047FughsU1@mid.dfncis.de> (permalink) |
| References | (4 earlier) <vos7hr$gpqq$1@dont-email.me> <m1g9ofFcmipU1@mid.dfncis.de> <m1iubdFou33U1@mid.dfncis.de> <vp6jmg$2nq3g$1@dont-email.me> <vpd0kg$23r6$1@dont-email.me> |
[[I've changed the subject line since this discussion no longer has
anything to do with Hooke's law.]]
In article <vpd0kg$23r6$1@dont-email.me>, Luigi Fortunati writes:
> In my animation https://www.geogebra.org/m/rs4cfxzg body A of 5 particles
> collides inelastically with body B of 3 particles.
> Before the collision, the total momentum p=+2 is entirely owned by
> body A
This is incorrect: before the collision, *both* bodies have nonzero
momentum (relative to Luigi's inertial reference frame). To be precise,
before the collision we have:
mass: m_A = 5 m_B = 3
velocity: v_A = +1 v_B = -1
momentum: p_A = +5 p_B = -3 p_total = p_A+p_B = +2
> After the collision, it is true that the total momentum does not change
> (it always remains equal to p=+2), [[...]]
>
> In fact, at the end of the collision, the positive momentum p=+2 belongs
> "only" in part to body A (p=+1.25) and the rest has transferred to body B
> (p=+0.75).
This is correct: since momentum is conserved, the total momentum after
the collision is equal to the total momentum before the collision, i.e.,
+2. Since the total mass is m_A+m_B = 8, the common velocity after the
collision must be v_A = v_B = 0.25, and thus the two bodies' individual
momenta after the collision must be p_A = +1.25 and p_B = +0.75.
> How is it possible that, during the collision, there is a transfer of
> momentum from body A to body B if the action of body A on body B is
> *equal* to the opposite reaction of body B on body A?
The answer is that the momentum transfer during the collision is actually
*two-way*, i.e., *each* body transfers some momentum to the other body.
That is, during the collision A's momentum changes (because B transfers
some momentum to A), AND B's momentum changes (because A transfers some
momentum to B).
Let's work this out in detail:
Before the collision:
p_A_before = +5
p_B_before = -3
p_total_before = p_A_before+p_B_before = +2
After the collision:
p_A_after = +1.25
p_B_after = +0.75,
p_total_after = p_A_after+p_B_after = +2
Thus, *during* the collision, the bodies momenta change by these amounts:
Delta_p_A = p_A_after-p_A_before = -3.75
Delta_p_B = p_B_after-p_B_before = +3.75
Delta_p_total = Delta_p_A+Delta_p_B = 0
In other words, during the collison B transfers momentum -3.75 to A,
so that A's momentum changes by Delta_p_A=-3.75. AND, during the
collision A transfers momentum +3.75 to B, so that B's momentum changes
by Delta_p_B=+3.75.
> And why does this transfer of momentum from A to B not occur in the first
> three instants and only occurs in instants 4 and 5?
To answer that we need to delve into the detailed internal structure of
each body and the dynamics of the collision. I'll write about that in
a following posting.
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Newton e Hooke Luigi Fortunati <fortunati.luigi@gmail.com> - 2025-01-26 08:51 -0800
Re: Newton e Hooke Luigi Fortunati <fortunati.luigi@gmail.com> - 2025-01-30 08:42 +0000
Re: Newton e Hooke Luigi Fortunati <fortunati.luigi@gmail.com> - 2025-02-04 23:47 -0800
Re: Newton e Hooke Luigi Fortunati <fortunati.luigi@gmail.com> - 2025-02-10 22:25 -0800
Re: Newton e Hooke "Jonathan Thornburg [remove color- to reply]" <dr.j.thornburg@pink-gmail.com> - 2025-02-12 08:02 +0000
Re: Newton e Hooke Luigi Fortunati <fortunati.luigi@gmail.com> - 2025-02-14 08:09 +0000
Re: Newton e Hooke "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -color to reply]" <dr.j.thornburg@gmail-pink.com> - 2025-02-16 08:55 +0000
Re: Newton e Hooke Luigi Fortunati <fortunati.luigi@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 10:42 -0800
Re: Newton e Hooke "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -color to reply]" <dr.j.thornburg@gmail-pink.com> - 2025-02-17 08:19 +0000
Re: Newton e Hooke Luigi Fortunati <fortunati.luigi@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 22:45 -0800
Re: Newton e Hooke Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2025-02-18 08:23 +0000
Re: Newton e Hooke Luigi Fortunati <fortunati.luigi@gmail.com> - 2025-02-16 10:42 -0800
Re: Newton e Hooke "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -color to reply]" <dr.j.thornburg@gmail-pink.com> - 2025-02-17 08:19 +0000
Re: Newton e Hooke "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -color to reply]" <dr.j.thornburg@gmail-pink.com> - 2025-02-18 08:23 +0000
Re: Newton e Hooke Luigi Fortunati <fortunati.luigi@gmail.com> - 2025-02-20 07:56 +0100
Re: Newton e Hooke Luigi Fortunati <fortunati.luigi@gmail.com> - 2025-02-22 18:13 +0100
inelastic collision (was: Re: Newton e Hooke) "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -color to reply]" <dr.j.thornburg@gmail-red.com> - 2025-02-26 08:02 +0000
Re: inelastic collision (was: Re: Newton e Hooke) Luigi Fortunati <fortunati.luigi@gmail.com> - 2025-02-28 14:44 -0800
Re: inelastic collision (was: Re: Newton e Hooke) "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -color to reply]" <dr.j.thornburg@gmail-pink.com> - 2025-03-01 09:18 +0000
Re: inelastic collision (was: Re: Newton e Hooke) Luigi Fortunati <fortunati.luigi@gmail.com> - 2025-03-03 08:09 +0000
Re: inelastic collision (was: Re: Newton e Hooke) Luigi Fortunati <fortunati.luigi@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 12:37 +0000
Re: inelastic collision (was: Re: Newton e Hooke) Luigi Fortunati <fortunati.luigi@gmail.com> - 2025-03-16 09:28 +0000
Re: inelastic collision (was: Re: Newton e Hooke) Luigi Fortunati <fortunati.luigi@gmail.com> - 2025-03-16 21:28 -0700
Re: inelastic collision (was: Re: Newton e Hooke) "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -color to reply]" <dr.j.thornburg@gmail-pink.com> - 2025-03-02 09:14 +0000
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